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    The Arcadion abbreviations - R vs M

    GAMERS there seems to be two competing camps vying for control over this raid series's abbreviations, namely those who would name the raids along the lines of R1N/R1S, and those who would name them M1N/M1S. This is a very decisive and important issue and I wish to know where we stand on it
    Personally I am Team R for several reasons
    1. Makes sense for the name, R is pretty easy to associate with "Arcadion" and M is nowhere in the title at all
    2. It fits the wrestling theme, Round 1, R1, etc
    3. One of the M-tribe might say "well obviously we call it M because it's literally right there in the name of the duty" however to that I say what shall you do when the next tier comes out and the name is "AAC Cruiser-Heavyweight M1" or whatever but then it ends up being called M5 anyways? A glaring discrepancy! Also since when did we set abbreviations based off the duty names instead of the series names? Was there really anyone calling the first Pandaemonium raid "C1" because of "First Circle"?
    So tell me, which side are YOU on? You ARE supporting the (R)ight side of history, yes? Now I do understand the consolegames wiki has presently been hijacked by M partisans who have claimed M's sole dominion over the abbreviation however do not give up fellow R bros, we need to stand strong in the days to come if the Arcadion is to be rated R instead of M
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    Its M, its in the name. The only reason R was speculated was because we didn't know.
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    Yeah, R has nothing to do with it, the game calls them M1-4 i.e. "AAC Light-heavyweight M1". So its M1N/M1S
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabySneed View Post
    1. Makes sense for the name, R is pretty easy to associate with "Arcadion" and M is nowhere in the title at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    I mean for the Raid series name (The Arcadion), I already have made my case against siding with M based off the duty name in exhibit 3
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    Yes, but calling it R would have the same exact problem, no? Each weight class is still held under the Arcadion name so if you just called them R1N/R1S or whatever, there's still going to be an issue going into the next tier unless SE completely changes the name. Seems like there's no reason it wouldn't be AAC Cruiser-Heavyweight M# though.

    I would just forgo the M and R because they're redundant and each series would still be easy enough to abbreviate. Just truncate the weight class so you get something like LHN1/LHS1, CHN1/CHS1, etc. You could likely shorten them even further to L, C, and (probably) H I guess, but I think we need to stop being afraid of letters.
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    M1-M12, since they are all likely to be matches in that location.

    Maybe there will be another raid tier where M is the only one that makes sense. If that happens, we'll probably have to revisit the terminology here. But right now, M is unused, it probably won't be the only usable one for future raids unless we're unlucky.

    We can't have A1-A12 because that's Alexander and at this point we're trying to maintain our little community formula of only 1 letter.

    The argument for R makes sense but the reason we don't usually go for that is we usually try to base it as much off the raid name (or boss name) as possible. In this case, the content is rather original so we can't say what the finale really is (like Omega) in the same way.

    I remember when people tried to call Deltascape D1-D4. I was like, no it'll be O1-O12. V1-V12 was a possibility for Omega but it wasn't impossible they could re-use Version for another raid tier, so O was safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabySneed View Post
    3. One of the M-tribe might say "well obviously we call it M because it's literally right there in the name of the duty" however to that I say what shall you do when the next tier comes out and the name is "AAC Cruiser-Heavyweight M1" or whatever but then it ends up being called M5 anyways? A glaring discrepancy!
    It's been that way since Coil. People just say like "T8" or whatever even though the game doesn't call it 8.

    And the game's not even consistent about calling things stuff. I'll get a "Gordias" in my wondrous tails and have to look up if that's the father, the son, or the holy ghost in the duty finder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabySneed View Post
    GAMERS there seems to be two competing camps vying for control over this raid series's abbreviations, namely those who would name the raids along the lines of R1N/R1S, and those who would name them M1N/M1S. This is a very decisive and important issue and I wish to know where we stand on it
    Personally I am Team R for several reasons
    1. Makes sense for the name, R is pretty easy to associate with "Arcadion" and M is nowhere in the title at all
    2. It fits the wrestling theme, Round 1, R1, etc
    3. One of the M-tribe might say "well obviously we call it M because it's literally right there in the name of the duty" however to that I say what shall you do when the next tier comes out and the name is "AAC Cruiser-Heavyweight M1" or whatever but then it ends up being called M5 anyways? A glaring discrepancy! Also since when did we set abbreviations based off the duty names instead of the series names? Was there really anyone calling the first Pandaemonium raid "C1" because of "First Circle"?
    So tell me, which side are YOU on? You ARE supporting the (R)ight side of history, yes? Now I do understand the consolegames wiki has presently been hijacked by M partisans who have claimed M's sole dominion over the abbreviation however do not give up fellow R bros, we need to stand strong in the days to come if the Arcadion is to be rated R instead of M
    Its M...get over it cuz its Match 1 Match 2 Match 3. and so on.....
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    I call it AR(for Arcadion)
    And I've used it else where.

    AR1N(AR1S)

    One thing that people have wrong about "M" is that it literally can reset.

    They forget that In Competitive games, they don't necessarily count 1-12 between fights with different competitors.

    They judge by your bracket and which fight it is.

    Light-Heavy being the first Bracket we partake in.(Tier1)
    Cruiserweight. (likely to be Tier2. as the story isn't likely to switch up any time soon.)
    Heavyweight (Likely Tier3)

    M is the Match, 1-4 happens to be the fights between them. (in a tier)

    But seeing as we truly won't know.
    (If SE really wanted to do it like a tournament. They'd probably go the bracket method.)

    If they simply don't care beyond the First Half Being AAC LH/CW/HW. and the later half ignoring the Competive naming. it'll go to 12.

    [In the end, people will chose what they like. and dislike getting told otherwise.]

    (Just like I preferred TOP over TOPU. -like we needed to make the title of a Ultimate more weeby, or longer in a way that doesn't doesn't sense. UWU makes some sense at least.)

    (Yet I still Believe Pictomancer and Viper should be PIC/VIP instead of PCT/VPR. and won't give it up, like the original SGE icon.)

    __________________________________________

    TLDR: while naming conventions have similarities, some have lore reasons. some just cause it sounds better than the other options. or just cause most used it. and the community accepted it.

    Nothing States that new naming conventions, lengths or shortening can/t exists.

    Since AAC stands for for its full location name.
    Followed by the Bracket(and match within the bracket)

    AR_(N/S) Just makes sense.

    More so if you wish to make it follow a more official Tournament Arc feel.

    AR_N/S
    AR1N
    AR2N
    AR3N
    AR4N

    (same would go for 5-8, 9-12.)

    All(located with)in Arcadion, The Raid number, And the Difficulty Lettering.
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