Thread: The removal of Viper positionals would have been preferred over removing Noxious Gnas

I kind of agree, you could mostly ignore them anyway with true north, which you'll still be doing but now it doesn't affect anything at all. It's such a knee jerk reaction that they should have just increased the debuff by 5-10s as a bandaid and thought it out more before hammering in a decision. The problem with these knee jerk reactions is that it usually takes these slow designers and expansion or two to change it back or do something new with it. But yeah, I'd have taken some positionals being removed over gutting out a big mechanic

I agree, I think Noxious Gnash is much more fun than positionals I would gladly exchange positionals for Noxious Gnash.

Are we slyly advocating for the removal of positionals now?

Yes, I'll trade removing positionals for the re-addition of Noxious Gnash.

[I like this new tactic ya'll. ]

Originally Posted by Crafoutis

Are we slyly advocating for the removal of positionals now?

Yes, I'll trade removing positionals for the re-addition of Noxious Gnash.

[I like this new tactic ya'll. ]

tbh I would rather keep both of them. But I've come to terms that it's always just going to be one or the other so I would rather pick the one that gives the job a more unique gameplay style than just flank and rear attacks

Originally Posted by Crafoutis

Wellllllll, I wouldn't say Noxious Gnash is a 'unique gameplay style', given that「 Shadow of Death / Whorl of Death 」exists for Reaper, which applies「 Death's Design 」a debuff which reads "increasing damage you deal target by 10%"

True. However, I feel like thats a glass half empty look at it. While the text is virtually the same, the usage in the rotation feels different. Reaper is essentially just a dot that you press and feels completely separated from the usual 1-2-3 rotation. Viper felt like it engaged with the 1-2-3 combo way smoother imo.

Originally Posted by Rychu

True. However, I feel like thats a glass half empty look at it. While the text is virtually the same, the usage in the rotation feels different. Reaper is essentially just a dot that you press and feels completely separated from the usual 1-2-3 rotation. Viper felt like it engaged with the 1-2-3 combo way smoother imo.

I agree somewhat, but at the end of the day, it was just Death’s design attached to a combo that you could interrupt anyway. So truthfully, you could use a GCD to apply it, go into a better combo and finish that combo when all said and done.

The only difference between the two was that NG was a part of a combo and Reaper’s you could insert reaper’s whenever. Reaper’s even had a longer debuff timer on it. Which I find odd.

Originally Posted by Crafoutis

WAR - perfect since the introduction of Raw Intuition in 2015.

Raw intuition:
"Parries all physical attacks taken from the front. All attacks taken from the flank or rear will result in critical damage."
Grants Wrath when used with Defiance or Abandon when used with Deliverance.

That raw intuition?

so.. VPR lost their DoT right?.. ironic.. and ppl wanna remove positionals instead what I can see why they wanna do that^^

but yeah they should just remove positionals in general then, they could then also remove True North.. I mean every melee's combos have another function besides the positionals anyway. Hell! NIN's Trick Attack isn't a Positional anymore! (I still use True North before Trick Attack due to deep rooted Muscle Memory, same reason why I have True North at the place where I had Kaiten, because having a dead button on a Controller is way worse than on a Keyboard)