Please revert the Viper changes immediately and stop changing it.

[Macleod]

It definitely does not play the same anymore, if you truly believe that I have grounds to think that you have not played Viper correctly.
To quote from r/ffxivdiscussion:



Additionally, minimizing the usage of Dread Fangs was a gameplay element that required a bit of attention. Sure, it was not the most in depth or engaging mechanic, but it was a gameplay mechanic that kept people engaged and interested. Checking whether to use Dreadwinder or Dreadfangs was a decision you had to make, based on how the fight progressed.

Typical response it typical. Never said it played exactly the same, I said it "feels" exactly the same. Come on, just be honest with yourself, it barely changed! LOL ...Changing a couple button presses and not watching a debuff timer on what I'm fighting doesn't make a difference to me, hence "it feels the same." I still get what I wanted, a fast paced dual wielding swordsman. I went from playing Viper since Day 1 of early access to leveling Dragoon and Reaper, and OMG they are so slow! When I switch back to Viper, I realize how much more fun I'm having. Maybe play something else for a while if you haven't already, and go back to Viper. You might come to the same realization.

[fulminating]

Typical response it typical. Never said it played exactly the same, I said it "feels" exactly the same. Come on, just be honest with yourself, it barely changed! LOL ...Changing a couple button presses and not watching a debuff timer on what I'm fighting doesn't make a difference to me, hence "it feels the same." I still get what I wanted, a fast paced dual wielding swordsman. I went from playing Viper since Day 1 of early access to leveling Dragoon and Reaper, and OMG they are so slow! When I switch back to Viper, I realize how much more fun I'm having. Maybe play something else for a while if you haven't already, and go back to Viper. You might come to the same realization.

It doesn’t feel the same. The rotation is follow follow follow the yellow button road now when previously you could move things around depending on what the boss was doing. Applying noxious to dungeon bosses/trash wasn’t even that hard, you just had to cancel your single target rotation with an aoe en route. It just feels bad and significantly worse especially below level cap, which is a common complaint about new jobs.

Edit: please note I am not discussing difficulty.

[ovIm]

Typical response it typical. Never said it played exactly the same, I said it "feels" exactly the same. Come on, just be honest with yourself, it barely changed! LOL ...Changing a couple button presses and not watching a debuff timer on what I'm fighting doesn't make a difference to me, hence "it feels the same." I still get what I wanted, a fast paced dual wielding swordsman. I went from playing Viper since Day 1 of early access to leveling Dragoon and Reaper, and OMG they are so slow! When I switch back to Viper, I realize how much more fun I'm having. Maybe play something else for a while if you haven't already, and go back to Viper. You might come to the same realization.

It may feel similar to you, but it feels completely alien to me, now after I have played pretty much daily since early access
And no, it has not barely changed, it changed noticeably, from having to pay attention to what I am doing to now simply pressing buttons as they light up or become available.
"You" may get what you want, which is a class fantasy. That is fair. What others lament is a lack of fundamentally interesting gameplay that was removed from us, lol.

And yes, I play other classes too. I know what has drawn me towards Viper, the speed and the thing that was now removed. Both made the class appealing to me. You can LOL somewhere else pal.

[ZephyrMenodora]

"You" may get what you want, which is a class fantasy.

Honestly to me it killed the class fantasy. It wasn't just a dual wielder, it had a specific viper/snake theme. The changes really gutted a big part of it for me.