"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

[Kaizlu]

relic is not for everyone.

I really dislike it when people say that. Sounds like a really bad excuse to defend SE. It's not like OP is asking for a free relic just for logging into the game, he just wants to see the effort of getting top 3 rewarded.

no, but he shouldnt have done it on a day when people could not be on

full time job = 7 days a week, he only needs a single day to make it worth the turnins....

Still, how many hours then? Are you saying that we need to do 6-8 hours of Hamlet Defense for Top 3 to be worth it?

[Arkine]

I firmly believe that the only difference between hardcores and casuals should be time.

If a Harcore is someone that can play 12 hours a day and a casual can only play 4 then the only difference between them is that the hardcore should get whatever they're after first. (if he gets it in a week the casual should get it in 3).

That's what I believe when it comes to time dedicated. skill and battle difficulties are factors too but it should not under any circumstances be a situation where hardcores can get stuff that casuals can never get just because they can struggle against a random number generator much more times than an average adult should.

Basically, when it comes to instances it should be point based for things like hamlet where you can buy the loot you want after getting enough points, Hardcores can spam 60k runs for 8 hours a day and get their hamlet swag and seals done in a week and Casuals can do 40-50k runs 4 times a day and eventually get their loot.

Luck has no place in this scenario, everything you do matters.

Every win gets you closer to getting what you want, and that is as fair as gaining exp points to level up.(pretty fair)

For everything else use the Garuda system.


Now I understand that some people need to feel special to function and I'm not against that! not even a little bit. I'm just saying you can be special until other people catch up, then you'll be special in the next dose of content we get.

Personally I would have stopped doing Hamlet a long time ago if I wasn't hell bent on finishing my Militia Plate set. (2/5 FFS) Why couldn't it be like Grand Company stuff and made them purchasable with "Militia points".

[SuzakuCMX]

I hate everything.

Relics are for hardcore players. It's the best weapon in the game and, accordingly, it takes the longest amount of time to get. It's hardcore. There are plenty of weapons that are good enough for every single piece of content in the game (Wand of Gales with Healing Pot+, Garuda Weapons, Melded Skirmish Weapons, Lieutenant GC Weapons, etc.).

The point of hardcore vs. casual vs. midcore (wtf) is that you have content catered to you but not all of it is for you. There are like 3 viable alternatives to Relics that aren't incredibly hard to get, and they are all good enough to do every single piece of content in the game.

[TheVedis]

Still, how many hours then? Are you saying that we need to do 6-8 hours of Hamlet Defense for Top 3 to be worth it?

yes, i do

if not, just turn in just enough for top 20 if your doing it for a few hours, or not at all and live with 50k runs(possible 60k runs)

you dont NEED to be a provisioner or even get 60k runs to get a decent rate on seals


but to complain that you cant run it enough and therefore its not fair, is not the games fault, thats all on you and yours.

im sorry if its too time intensive for you, but thats how it goes sometimes, not everything should be completable in single runs and low ammounts of time

[Kaizlu]

yes, i do

if not, just turn in just enough for top 20 if your doing it for a few hours, or not at all and live with 50k runs(possible 60k runs)

you dont NEED to be a provisioner or even get 60k runs to get a decent rate on seals


but to complain that you cant run it enough and therefore its not fair, is not the games fault, thats all on you and yours.

im sorry if its too time intensive for you, but thats how it goes sometimes, not everything should be completable in single runs and low ammounts of time

Fair enough, I was under the impression that Top 3 was a way to lower the time you needed to do HD to get seals. Personally I normally see one or two seals in about 3-4 runs. So I would assume having a top 3 would give way better results.

Oh well, I'll just see how much time I can take this before cancelling my sub.

[TimonLoon]

The people in this thread trying to justify getting gear because it's similar to a full-time job are some sadistic bastards.

You are exactly the same people that SE should not be listening to in regards to balancing content.

[SuzakuCMX]

The people in this thread trying to justify getting gear because it's similar to a full-time job are some sadistic bastards.

You are exactly the same people that SE should not be listening to in regards to balancing content.

It's really good, probably overpowered, gear. It makes sense that it would take a lot of time and effort to get. If it didn't, it would cheapen the actual getting of the gear. There is plenty of gear out there that is just fine. You don't get to get every single piece of gear or content in the game if you don't have the time for it, and there is a lot of gear that doesn't take too long to get that is just fine (there's a lot of level 40+ gear you can get melded with 1 materia that is good, the GC gear, some CC/AV gear, etc).

[TimonLoon]

It's really good, probably overpowered, gear. It makes sense that it would take a lot of time and effort to get. If it didn't, it would cheapen the actual getting of the gear. There is plenty of gear out there that is just fine. You don't get to get every single piece of gear or content in the game if you don't have the time for it, and there is a lot of gear that doesn't take too long to get that is just fine (there's a lot of level 40+ gear you can get melded with 1 materia that is good, the GC gear, some CC/AV gear, etc).

Thats all fine and dandy but they don't need to use RNG on everything to prolong every experience. They could instead change Hamlet to the following:

- 12/24 hour lockout. You can only do it once per 12/24 hours.
- Rewards 2 Hamlet tokens. Tokens are saved up to buy absurdly overpriced Seals used in relic quest.

You took the RNG out and you added a system where they are still doing the content over and over but each time they are getting closer to their goal... As opposed to trying to roll a dice and get lucky with drops each run. Getting all your seals from Hamlet could take you 1-2 days or several months depending on your luck <--- this is not balanced no matter what you think. There are two major instance of RNG that you encounter while trying to get just 1 Hamlet seal:

- The actual seal drop itself.
- If you're running with a PUG. You're hoping that the seal drops to you.

I think the people that advocate for this RNG system got lucky on their drops and they're just like "Fuck everybody else, I got mine." and would feel less superior running around and seeing more people with relics or militia gear. If this applies to you, you're an idiot.

[TheVedis]

Fair enough, I was under the impression that Top 3 was a way to lower the time you needed to do HD to get seals. Personally I normally see one or two seals in about 3-4 runs. So I would assume having a top 3 would give way better results.

Oh well, I'll just see how much time I can take this before cancelling my sub.

it is a way to lower the time it takes, but the less time you can do it, the less yourll get still


so if you do 60k runs, and get seals 50% of the time, thats that
if you add a top 3, and he gets it 25% of the time, thats 75% of the runs youll get a seal(if you count total seals over runs)

thats still only an increase, that you earned due to it, but when you say run 6 runs as was stated

thats 3 seals for runs in general, and probly 1 seal for a top 3, you didnt increase it by as much as say...doing 15-20 runs in a single day after doing it

the more you can run the more impact it will have basicaly, so its a time issue

[Estellios]

- 12/24 hour lockout. You can only do it once per 12/24 hours.
- Rewards 2 Hamlet tokens. Tokens are saved up to buy absurdly overpriced Seals used in relic quest.

Change this to "You personally only get tokens once every 12/24 hrs" and you have something reasonable. Total lockouts would murder pickups and LS's with varying play schedules. I would love to be able to help my LS get seals whenever they are on but if I'm totally locked out it would screw everything up.

The hamlet defense part of the relic quest in general needs to be a lot shorter. There are legitimate challenges further in the quest which are good enough in weeding out people who are bad at the game.