"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

[TheVedis]

Just going to start with....RNG/Grind has nothing to do with whether someone is able to beat Ifrit Extreme/Garuda/AV,CC 17 minute runs, so therefore your statement is false. Unless you mean it in some other context, which is possible.

I agree the RNG system is brutal. But the Hamlet design works:

1) Without the competition to top 3 positions, Hamlet Levels will not benefit. This is a community issue. If people are not willing to work together for a common goal, they will most definately compete for the greatest prize (#1 Provisioner)
2) If say, Lvl 2 Hamlet guaranteed seals each and every run, but required 100 Million points to reach, after 1 month, if the community could even cooperate to build that many points and 50% of the population got their seals, the other 50% would be SOL.

Now would it be better to have seals available for maybe, the top 10 Provisioners?
Scaling it down by 10% ranges wouldn't work (100% would essentially be the same as 60% over 10 runs. So 5 top positions
to fairly easily get seals)

Maybe 10 top spots for seals, but 100%,70%,50%,25%, ---10% for Provisioner 5 to 10.

I do feel bad for the OP, as he is my LS mate, but in the bigger picture, what about the 4th provisioner @ 1.1Mil, 5th Provisioner @ 900k.... they didn't get to even battle the RNG, for a similar effort.

the system as is isnt the issue
again, you seem to think you NEED to have a provisioner to make progress, you dont
the problem is, without one, you DO NEED SKILL to steadily get 60k points per run

yes, skill, challenge, something everyone is denying that is needed to do this

and time, yes, you need time, and if you dont have time for this, you dont have time for 17 minute runs, cuz you dont have time to practice to get to the point of doing them

[Estellios]

your whole issue summed up

your linkshell doesnt have alot of time

just admit thats the main issue, its not that hard, we will understand it

I never said we dont?

We play ~4 nights a week for a few hours and doing hamlet defense an entire evening without anything dropping is stupid. We might as well have not even logged on. It's not a good mentality.

If a single seal dropped they could increase the amount needed but it would be fine because at least we got somewhere anytime we did this event and hardcore players would still be able to progress faster because they have more time.

[Eagleheart]

the system as is isnt the issue
again, you seem to think you NEED to have a provisioner to make progress, you dont
the problem is, without one, you DO NEED SKILL to steadily get 60k points per run

yes, skill, challenge, something everyone is denying that is needed to do this

and time, yes, you need time, and if you dont have time for this, you dont have time for 17 minute runs, cuz you dont have time to practice to get to the point of doing them

The marginal level of skill required to complete Hamlet Defense is not the issue. The system is indeed an issue, however, we have another issue, as well.

That issue is the frail egos of certain individuals who seem to define themselves by their achievement ratings, and object to common-sense analysis of flawed event design for the sake of their self-regard.

The comedy is good, though.

[Krausus]

Just going to start with....RNG/Grind has nothing to do with whether someone is able to beat Ifrit Extreme/Garuda/AV,CC 17 minute runs, so therefore your statement is false. Unless you mean it in some other context, which is possible.

I agree the RNG system is brutal and the Hamlet design could be tweaked to reward more effort as well.
(Token drops to trade for seals, when over 65k, and it takes 50 tokens for 1 seal)

1) Without the competition to top 3 positions, Hamlet Levels will not benefit. This is a community issue. If people are not willing to work together for a common goal, they will most definately compete for the greatest prize (#1 Provisioner)
2) If say, Lvl 2 Hamlet guaranteed seals each and every run, but required 100 Million points to reach, after 1 month, if the community could even cooperate to build that many points and 50% of the population got their seals, the other 50% would be SOL.

Now would it be better to have seals available for maybe, the top 10 Provisioners?
Scaling it down by 10% ranges wouldn't work (100% would essentially be the same as 60% over 10 runs. So 5 top positions
to fairly easily get seals)

Maybe 10 top spots for seals, but 100%,70%,50%,25%, ---10% for Provisioner 5 to 10.

I do feel bad for the OP, as he is my LS mate, but in the bigger picture, what about the 4th provisioner @ 1.1Mil, 5th Provisioner @ 900k.... they didn't get to even battle the RNG, for a similar effort.

it was summed up in one of my other posts, if you can't commit the time (as crummy long as it can be) then I doubt one would be able to commit the time it takes to master the other steps of the quest line which could potentially take even longer since not only are you having to rely on other people to be able to commit the time but also on skill and gear checks.

People PUGing hamlets (not saying everyone complaining are but a vast majority are) will never make it past CC/AV 17 min speed runs.

You have to go into this with the mentality of this is gonna take a long time, dedication, skill, and teamwork. If you (not you specifically) are already banging your head against the wall before you even get to start the quest line then maybe you (again not you specifically) should rethink whether or not a relic is for you because it is only gonna get more time consuming and harder as you move along.

[Eagleheart]

Here is a good quote that illustrates Vedis' incapacity to understand the issue being brought to topic in this thread.

another thing they will not understand

my group isnt even at those stages yet, but i already know what we are in for, and its gonna take a LONG time
we have 30 people looking forward to that, and not a single one of us has any misconception about what we are looking at, or a complaint about what we are doing now or whats ahead

we understand the whole point of this quest and obtaining these items, which is something it seems alot of people in these forums lack

Nothing about mastering Garuda speed run, Ifrit Extreme, or time attack AV/CC has to do with the problem of Provisioner and irritating drop rates when you have completed the event as required.

If you complete AV/CC 17 minute, you get your item.

If you complete Garuda speed run, you complete the task.

If you complete Ifrit Extreme, you complete the task.

If you complete HamDef 60k+, you might, if you are very fortunate, get your item, but probably not.

♪ One of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong~~~♪

[TheVedis]

The marginal level of skill required to complete Hamlet Defense is not the issue. The system is indeed an issue, however, we have another issue, as well.

That issue is the frail egos of certain individuals who seem to define themselves by their achievement ratings, and object to common-sense analysis of flawed event design for the sake of their self-regard.

The comedy is good, though.

if skill isnt needed why do people rage so much about "requiring" top 3s and top 20s and how hard it is to do that cuz they cant get 60k without it

that sounds like a challenge to me, and skill needed to keep 60k without

but make excuses, keep blaming others for the fact you cant get seals, or gear

or do what some do also, ignore the gear drops completely cuz seals are all that matter

[TheVedis]

Here is a good quote that illustrates Vedis' incapacity to understand the issue being brought to topic in this thread.



Nothing about mastering Garuda speed run, Ifrit Extreme, or time attack AV/CC has to do with the problem of Provisioner and irritating drop rates when you have completed the event as required.

If you complete AV/CC 17 minute, you get your item.

If you complete Garuda speed run, you complete the task.

If you complete Ifrit Extreme, you complete the task.

If you complete HamDef 60k+, you might, if you are very fortunate, get your item, but probably.

♪ One of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong~~~♪

you act like those are easy feats to do though

look at the difficulty of the hamlet end compared to 17 minute runs and ifrit

HUGE difference, you get rewarded based on difficulty


really hard to do = full credit
easier to do = partial credit


you guys keep throwing in the fact you get auto successes later, but the fact remains most people who cant get seals, or are whining about it, will never complete those later sets cuz they dont have the skill required to do so

[Krausus]

Here is a good quote that illustrates Vedis' incapacity to understand the issue being brought to topic in this thread.



Nothing about mastering Garuda speed run, Ifrit Extreme, or time attack AV/CC has to do with the problem of Provisioner and irritating drop rates when you have completed the event as required.

If you complete AV/CC 17 minute, you get your item.

If you complete Garuda speed run, you complete the task.

If you complete Ifrit Extreme, you complete the task.

If you complete HamDef 60k+, you might, if you are very fortunate, get your item, but probably not.

♪ One of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong~~~♪

the time and frustration it takes to get seals and the time and frustration it takes to master the other content is comparable.

You know for someone that spouts "commonsense" so much I would think I wouldn't have to explain that. Humph imagine that.

[Eagleheart]

if skill isnt needed why do people rage so much about "requiring" top 3s and top 20s and how hard it is to do that cuz they cant get 60k without it

that sounds like a challenge to me, and skill needed to keep 60k without

but make excuses, keep blaming others for the fact you cant get seals, or gear

or do what some do also, ignore the gear drops completely cuz seals are all that matter

It isn't difficult to get 60k without Top3. Top3 should be more helpful than it is.

Frankly, being a provisioner should be more helpful than it is, period. That is the substance of the topic.

No one really cares that greatly about the equipment from Hamlet. I'm relatively certain that folks go into Hamlet, yourself included, with little consideration of the gear drops, but rather, with their eye on the prize, that being Curtana, Gae Bolg, et cetera.

you act like those are easy feats to do though

look at the difficulty of the hamlet end compared to 17 minute runs and ifrit

HUGE difference, you get rewarded based on difficulty

And now you dodge the point of the matter upon abruptly realizing what is actually being said. A nifty attempt at a dodge, but no dice.

you guys keep throwing in the fact you get auto successes later, but the fact remains most people who cant get seals, or are whining about it, will never complete those later sets cuz they dont have the skill required to do so

The whole "if you can't get seals you are unskilled" thing was funny the first dozen posts, but it's kind of getting old now.

I understand that you're obsessed with justifying your ego. I don't really care. (>.> ) If you're so comfortable with the system as it is, why do you care if it changes for the better for other folks? Does it somehow take away from your sense of accomplishment?

Were you one of those folks who quit XI due to Abyssea 'erasing all your hard work'?

[Arkine]

I would like to see someone argue against a token system.

Anybody at all.