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    Hanzz96's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    That's a great advice. Did this and I've been having fun with the game.
    The only downside is that you won't be able to play physical ranged and have fun anymore.
    I know! Why didn't we think of playing something else?! We should have to switch roles to have fun according to this person instead of SE fixing a very obvious problem. It's not even that we're not having fun it's that phys ranged is becoming un viable which is very bad.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzz96 View Post
    I know! Why didn't we think of playing something else?! We should have to switch roles to have fun according to this person instead of SE fixing a very obvious problem. It's not even that we're not having fun it's that phys ranged is becoming un viable which is very bad.
    The original poster of that comment is saying that ironically

    “Play something else” is the biggest detractor of healing discussions as well

    They aren’t actually saying play something else
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    That's a great advice. Did this and I've been having fun with the game.
    The only downside is that you won't be able to play physical ranged and have fun anymore.
    It's the solution that all the people mocking the healer strike came up with.

    Just switch out, go ignore the problem and quietly watch Square dig that hole deeper.

    Might as well give it out to everyone else who has any problem with any of their Jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    It's the solution that all the people mocking the healer strike came up with.

    Just switch out, go ignore the problem and quietly watch Square dig that hole deeper.

    Might as well give it out to everyone else who has any problem with any of their Jobs.
    You mean "Play other jobs." but also "Screw you for making our queues longer." and also, also "All the healers I've been getting in my roulettes suck!"

    It's almost as if all of those are related, but what do I know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    You mean "Play other jobs." but also "Screw you for making our queues longer." and also, also "All the healers I've been getting in my roulettes suck!"

    It's almost as if all of those are related, but what do I know?
    it is as clear as sun,

    Healers and tanks are so boring,

    Tanks need to get unique,

    Healers need to get "healing kit" simplified not "DPS kit" which need to have its complexity
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    Omori Oatmeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I'll give you the same advice everyone gives healers.

    If you want to do more DPS, go play a different role.
    Yea, Screw those Ranged dps, it not like they fill a ------->DPS<-------- Spot or anything. People are so weird for expecting damage from a role about dealing damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikazam View Post
    Yea, Screw those Ranged dps, it not like they fill a ------->DPS<-------- Spot or anything. People are so weird for expecting damage from a role about dealing damage.
    Yeah pranged dps is so sadge and mch most of all at least the others kinda compensate with buffs
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    I haven't noticed anything bad personally and haven't been forced out of any groups in DT just because I play phys ranged. If something changes for my static pugs I'll probably change my tune since that would mean we're leaning more towards a meta but I doubt we're going to hit that point ever in this game tbh.

    If ya'll wanna strike go for it but I'll sit out of this one.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 07-30-2024 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    I haven't noticed anything bad personally and haven't been forced out of any groups in DT just because I play phys ranged. If something changes for my static pugs I'll probably change my tune since that would mean we're leaning more towards a meta but I doubt we're going to hit that point ever in this game tbh.

    If ya'll wanna strike go for it but I'll sit out of this one.
    I mean if you look at PF's on Crystal pre-patch most will not have a slot for phys range I noticed which IS a bit concerning as I think there is a BIG problem with phys range in that the gain of bringing them does not seem to outweigh the dps gain of a caster or just adding a melee dps. That said honestly its just part of a problem with the concept of phys ranged because they are the only job that straddles 2 functions - bards and dancers do less damage because they bring a special utility; machinist however does not and so any sweeping tweak to the role doesn't work.

    Personally given the complaint of healers the only suggestion I can think of that does not involve threading the buffs (essentially making bards a must have for their contribution to overall raid content) would be to really merging the ranged DPS into one of the already existing roles. So like moving machinist into scouting jobs; bard into healers and dancer into striking. adjusting their potency to baseline with their respective roles.

    Just a random thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse View Post
    I mean if you look at PF's on Crystal pre-patch most will not have a slot for phys range I noticed which IS a bit concerning as I think there is a BIG problem with phys range in that the gain of bringing them does not seem to outweigh the dps gain of a caster or just adding a melee dps. That said honestly its just part of a problem with the concept of phys ranged because they are the only job that straddles 2 functions - bards and dancers do less damage because they bring a special utility; machinist however does not and so any sweeping tweak to the role doesn't work.

    Personally given the complaint of healers the only suggestion I can think of that does not involve threading the buffs (essentially making bards a must have for their contribution to overall raid content) would be to really merging the ranged DPS into one of the already existing roles. So like moving machinist into scouting jobs; bard into healers and dancer into striking. adjusting their potency to baseline with their respective roles.

    Just a random thought
    I'm on Crystal and have yet to see a group that ignored phys ranged. I have been doing EX 1 regularly since launch, at least 2-3 times a day.

    Taking a look now at the PF now for savage launch, there aren't any groups either that are ignoring phys ranged. They're just looking for one DPS per role (outside of melee where they'd like 2) with some of them so once a phys ranged takes up that spot another can't join.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 07-30-2024 at 08:36 PM.

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