Bring back Viper Noxious Gash

[Eikthyr]

It was good, it made us think about when to use dreadwinder instead of just pressing it on cd. Unlike reaper you can't refresh it while in a combo if you don't have dreadwinder, which was it's originality and frankly made it better.
And the most annoying part Is that it was easy to keep it up by just pressing your button on cd, not the absolute best damage wise but still not that big a loss.
The job was already easy, there was some simple complexity that made it more engaging but apparently fun is too dangerous for Square Enix.

And let's not talk how stupid it is to remove the debuff from VIPER the job named after a VENOMOUS snake while the job icon is the two teeth VIPER use to inject VENOM.

[UNDEAD10000]

Actually you really didn't need to think when using dreadwinder or vicewinder skill to apply noxious gnash to enemies when dread fangs and dread maw did apply noxious gnash too.

But yeah removing noxious gnash in patch 7.05 is stupid and the new honed steel effect is pointless when all it does is increase potency of steel fangs and steel maw.

[TheMaxwewll]

I disagree. There wasn't much thinking involved in Viper, but removing NG make any thinking redundant. Usually you'd save a Dreadwinder charge if your NG timer was over 20 seconds to avoid overcapping but now its quite literally just pop it when it's off CD

[SDaemon]

I honestly don't even notice its absence.

[LisseyCrowe]

I honestly don't even notice its absence.

Genuinely, how?

We went from occasionally starting a combo string with the secondary opener to starting every other combo with it. It is undeniably noticeable. You can say you don't mind it, you can even prefer it. But claiming you don't notice anything either makes you a liar or someone who doesn't even read their abilities.

[Skyclaw726]

Genuinely, how?

We went from occasionally starting a combo string with the secondary opener to starting every other combo with it. It is undeniably noticeable. You can say you don't mind it, you can even prefer it. But claiming you don't notice anything either makes you a liar or someone who doesn't even read their abilities.

He isn't the only one, I didn't notice it either.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Noxious Gash wasn't exactly good but our replacement they came up with in 4 seconds is substantially worse. One of the core rotational decisions you were always making is ensuring Dreadwinder doesn't overcap Noxious by managing when to Steel Fangs and when to Dread Fangs, that is now removed with literally no replacement and "Vicewinder" can be mindlessly mashed whenever you feel like it since the CD can't even drift. New combo buffs are also overly generous which eliminates interactions with Reawaken. The only justification for having like 8 buttons total was all the interactions between them but now? Now it's just melee Summoner with double weaves.

They changed the very bones of Viper and that does objectively change the job. "Melee Summoner" is a subjective opinion but the Balance wouldn't be thinking about triple reawaken strings now if nothing changed.

[ovIm]

He isn't the only one, I didn't notice it either.

If you have not noticed a difference, then one could assume that you have alternated combo starters already, which would mean you have played the job wrong. That is just an assumption, and is not a criticism of you or your playstyle, mind you, just an objective fact to consider.
For people that did play the class right however (making a conscious note of the timer of Noxious Gnash, and deciding how and when to reapply it), they do notice a change in how the class plays, and that should be considered.

[Skyclaw726]

If you have not noticed a difference, then one could assume that you have alternated combo starters already, which would mean you have played the job wrong. That is just an assumption, and is not a criticism of you or your playstyle, mind you, just an objective fact to consider.
For people that did play the class right however (making a conscious note of the timer of Noxious Gnash, and deciding how and when to reapply it), they do notice a change in how the class plays, and that should be considered.

How does alternating combo starters mean playing the class wrong? I start with Noxious Gnash then go into Swiftscale and repeat until Awaken.