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  1. #1
    Player
    Kaixern's Avatar
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    Arkhon Dullgaroth
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruruura View Post
    At this point just reduce every class to a single button.

    Tanks get a "Tank" button that does room wide AOES and applies provoke on all targets not currently targeting the tank and applies a party-wide defensive buff every 3 uses of the button and causes a bunch of magical shields and barriers to appear around everyone else.

    Healers get a "Heal" button that casts a dungeon wide AOE heal at no MP cost that also applies a regen, a shield, and resurrects anyone hit by it if they happen to have died and casts a lot of holy themed sparkles and light effects around the party

    DPS get a DPS button that casts a room wide AOE that produces negative aggro, does a ton of damage and reduces everyone else´s time to cast by 50% and causes a lot of explosions and slash effects to go around the room Demonslayer style.

    Then 2 patches later make it so that the process is automatic and no longer requires pressing a button.
    Don't forget they need to port it on mobile and put in a lot of NFT.
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    As someone who has played healers, I kind of want to go full scorched earth and encourage them to keep going with the simplification. Every Job should be reduced to just 2-3 buttons.
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    Tunda's Avatar
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The idea is they don't get it when simplifying jobs

    Healers should get simplify healing kit not DPS

    They got it wrong all this time
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    ovIm's Avatar
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    Vim Mercer
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    Alpha
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    It's maddening. A few months ago Yoshi-P said that they were done with oversimplifications, and now, about a month after Viper was released, they already simplify it and removing core gameplay parts of its identity. I feel like I am dropped in Bizarroland where nothing makes sense anymore.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    CamuiKushi's Avatar
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    Camulos Kellesha
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    It's maddening. A few months ago Yoshi-P said that they were done with oversimplifications, and now, about a month after Viper was released, they already simplify it and removing core gameplay parts of its identity. I feel like I am dropped in Bizarroland where nothing makes sense anymore.
    I believe these statements were probably made when job design for DT was already locked in and unable to be course corrected. That's the general feeling I had when he made those comments: this feels too late in the development cycle to be reflective of the experience we'll have in Dawntrail.

    Edit: Completely unrelated, I love your miqo's aesthetic, Dax.
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    It's maddening. A few months ago Yoshi-P said that they were done with oversimplifications, and now, about a month after Viper was released, they already simplify it and removing core gameplay parts of its identity. I feel like I am dropped in Bizarroland where nothing makes sense anymore.
    The conversation you linked straight-up says it's talking about "7.2 and beyond", not 7.0 at the start.

    I'm sorry, and this is going to come off rude.

    Stop destroying the fun of others because the absolute bottom tier players can't figure out how to hit the glowing buttons.
    Vote with your wallet. I could just as easily say stop destroying the fun of many of your typical gamers today because you want the one MMO that designs itself for them to change, when you have a variety of other games you could choose instead to get the "challenge" or "complexity" you desire.
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    ovIm's Avatar
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    Vim Mercer
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    Alpha
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    The conversation you linked straight-up says it's talking about "7.2 and beyond", not 7.0 at the start.
    This article has some mistranslations in it. When speaking of 7.2, he spoke specifically about gameplay content, which would come before any big rework to existing classes.
    That however is not the criticism here - its that Yoshi-P acknowledges that they have gone too far oversimplifying classes, and wanted to do less of that. Only for whoever is responsible to do exactly that with such a knee-jerk gameplay nerf that I fear I am getting whiplash.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    Wise Fuchsia
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    Phantom
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    At this point I'm just waiting for the 7.1 PvP information, if it falls flat I'm out until they do big changes.
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    Letho Orwyth
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThaCa View Post
    At this point I'm just waiting for the 7.1 PvP information, if it falls flat I'm out until they do big changes.
    You know it's bad when people prefer the combat in FFXIV's PvP. At least the jobs have unique play styles there
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  10. #10
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    StriderZessei's Avatar
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    Vyrn Starfall
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    I genuinely don't think we're going to see meaningful changes to any of the Jobs until something is done about the 2 minute burst meta.
    Mechanics and difficulty are being balanced around it, Jobs are constrained into it, and when all the Jobs have to be able to fit in it, there will always be some homogenization by necessity.
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