Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

[Reinha]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

[NekoNova]

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

[Supersnow845]

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

What square is doing is making the skill ceiling accessible to people who don’t want to try, that’s a totally different thing

People shouldn’t be excluded from jobs but you shouldn’t hit the skill ceiling 0.00000002 seconds after you reach the skill floor and that’s basically what modern 14 job design is

There needs to be a sense of progression in your understanding and execution of a job as you get better at it or nobody will stick to any of the jobs

[Reinha]

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

Turbo casuals could have just applied NG in every combo to keep up their debuff timer without thinking. It's not like the people who struggle with tracking debuffs are doing any content where that potency loss matters. There was no reason to remove decision making and make the job less fun for everyone else.

[NekoNova]

Turbo casuals could have just applied NG in every combo to keep up their debuff timer without thinking. It's not like the people who struggle with tracking debuffs are doing any content where that potency loss matters. There was no reason to remove decision making and make the job less fun for everyone else.

Well, SE sees it differently.

[ovIm]

Well, SE sees it differently.

Do they now?

They are going against something that the producer actively said would not happen. They are still so afraid of being criticized that they have no faith in their own product, and would rather bend over and remove any possible point of friction instead of being confident in their player bases ability to learn.

[SwadTheFrog]

Yeah, just tried this out. Viper feels significantly less fun to play now - great.

Love how they said they would no longer do quick, knee-jerk changes. And then they remove a major part of a class not even one patch in.