Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

[NekoNova]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

[ovIm]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

While that may be, I have seen a lot of feedback "do not change it", and not even a single thread asking for easier debuff management, as that patch has now gifted to us. Granted, I don't speak Japanese, so I can't check the JP forum, but somehow I doubt the outcries for changes in Viper were that loud over there, considering there was backlash against the proposed changed from the Blogpost a few weeks ago in JP as well.

[SacraAnima]

The job has barely been out a month. Gutting the singular point of upkeep and engagement in Noxious Gnash to cater to players who think it's upkeep was too difficult is an egregious example of a knee-jerk reaction. One that's coming right on the tail of them promising that they wouldn't be simplifying any more jobs. This is incredibly disappointing.

[Supersnow845]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

If they have this mountain of thereotical feedback they need to start actually pointing to it or if there is threads in the forums (either side) actually doing something like linking them in their explanation of job changes because the phenomenon of “make a change nobody appears to have asked for then ask for feedback, everyone opposes the change, ignore said feedback and leave the change intact” is appearing to become way more prevalent to the general playerbase

[Saraide]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

[NekoNova]

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

[Rueby]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

[NekoNova]

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

I honestly don't know if that's true, or contains any truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developers focussed mainly on Japanese feedback, them being Japanese themselves.
The Japanese player base makes up around 1/3rd of the total player base of FFXIV, so it's definitely a huge portion.

I'm fairly sure that the EU/US feedback is collected as well by community managers or something, so I doubt they are ignoring the things we post here.
But it's speculation at best.

[Saraide]

I honestly don't know if that's true, or contains any truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developers focussed mainly on Japanese feedback, them being Japanese themselves.
The Japanese player base makes up around 1/3rd of the total player base of FFXIV, so it's definitely a huge portion.

I'm fairly sure that the EU/US feedback is collected as well by community managers or something, so I doubt they are ignoring the things we post here.
But it's speculation at best.

Well mr devil's advocate, would you say that feedback after the fact in favor of removing death's design from viper to replace it with leaden fist instead is outweighing the feedback against doing that?

[NekoNova]

Well mr devil's advocate, would you say that feedback after the fact in favor of removing death's design from viper to replace it with leaden fist instead is outweighing the feedback against doing that?

Don't ask me, ask SE XD
I have no stake in this outside just playing the game.
I'm somewhere in the middle about these changes, not for, but not against them either, cause I doubt I'll be playing Viper that much outside leveling it.