Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

[SacraAnima]

The job has barely been out a month. Gutting the singular point of upkeep and engagement in Noxious Gnash to cater to players who think it's upkeep was too difficult is an egregious example of a knee-jerk reaction. One that's coming right on the tail of them promising that they wouldn't be simplifying any more jobs. This is incredibly disappointing.

[Supersnow845]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

If they have this mountain of thereotical feedback they need to start actually pointing to it or if there is threads in the forums (either side) actually doing something like linking them in their explanation of job changes because the phenomenon of “make a change nobody appears to have asked for then ask for feedback, everyone opposes the change, ignore said feedback and leave the change intact” is appearing to become way more prevalent to the general playerbase

[Saraide]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

[NekoNova]

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

[Rueby]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

[NekoNova]

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

I honestly don't know if that's true, or contains any truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developers focussed mainly on Japanese feedback, them being Japanese themselves.
The Japanese player base makes up around 1/3rd of the total player base of FFXIV, so it's definitely a huge portion.

I'm fairly sure that the EU/US feedback is collected as well by community managers or something, so I doubt they are ignoring the things we post here.
But it's speculation at best.

[Mcg55ss]

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

i mean i knew this LONG before i joined this game. SE has ALWAYS prioritized its JP fans over western audience.

[Reinha]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

[NekoNova]

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

[EponaTBHSMH]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

Quoting this for emphasis

Do not waste your time creating a lot of threads on EN forums about this, they do not listen to us