Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[Embio]

Yep, it's bad. Job actually became the "press the glowing button" Yoshi-P had to reassure people wasn't the case in the pre-release Liveletter showcase. Oops.

It was already pretty dull below 90, and it's even worse now. Triple Reawaken seems like it might have some memey fun, but it only adds to the issue that most jobs now are only allowed to have fun for 15 seconds every 2 minutes.

[Seiss80]

I am happy they didn't remove the positionals. The gnash debuff, I don't have feelings either way. I was able tp keep it up and do my rotation without much thought. Now with it gone, I do notice that I am not watching timers like I was before.

Regarding the AoE streamlining between single target and multitarget, I do like that. It feels more fluid. I wish they had that in the original spec.

Overall, I am going to still keep playing it. I like the job, and hope they don't change it even more. I used to play AST when it first came out, but after they did the major rework right away, it didn't feel right after that, and ever since, it bugs the crap out of me. I am happy that to a degree, nothing to major has changed. I can still play Viper and have fun. Even took it into Savage today, and it wasn't to bad.

[Erwann]

I just wish the devs would say something on the matter, to know whether it's worth to expect some reversal to the changes or just straight up abandon ship and move onwards to another job.

[Memyx]

My 2 cents after going ham on my training dummy this morning:

It's fine, if not better, now. I would argue that the new interactions better express the flow the job was going for, moves empowering one another and using the proper follow ups.

[W00by]

My 2 cents after going ham on my training dummy this morning:

It's fine, if not better, now. I would argue that the new interactions better express the flow the job was going for, moves empowering one another and using the proper follow ups.

Every job is a braindead nothing burger on a training dummy. Of course it didn't matter there.

The problem is that Viper no longer interacts with the fight -- with 1 minute enhanced combo timers and no Noxious Gash, nothing short of a CUTSCENE in the middle of the raid will interrupt your scripted, step-by-step, glowing button rotation.

People need to stop with this "it feels the same" argument. It is objectively, indelibly changed to be less interesting and less complex at a higher level. You can like that, but it doesn't make the claim not true. I personally don't want to play melee Summoner.

[Elkanah]

So what Im basically reading is that there's 0 reason to bring viper to basically any fight over more pictomancers. Now that the job doesnt have a debuff+ on enemies, it's essentially useless.

*picks up rock*

Who I gotta throw this at now? Which developer? Which player(s)?

[Komarimono]

So what Im basically reading is that there's 0 reason to bring viper to basically any fight over more pictomancers. Now that the job doesnt have a debuff+ on enemies, it's essentially useless.

*picks up rock*

Who I gotta throw this at now? Which developer? Which player(s)?

It only affected Viper damage.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

So what Im basically reading is that there's 0 reason to bring viper to basically any fight over more pictomancers. Now that the job doesnt have a debuff+ on enemies, it's essentially useless.

*picks up rock*

Who I gotta throw this at now? Which developer? Which player(s)?

This has no affect on Viper viability, it's solely about game feel. That damage (de)buff was baked into your potency and got unbaked in.

[Elkanah]

This has no affect on Viper viability, it's solely about game feel. That damage (de)buff was baked into your potency and got unbaked in.

They couldve easily put the debuff on both skills that start your opener. you'd have 100% uptime at that point. instead, they removed it entirely. so there's 0 reason to bring dps other than x4 pictomancer (even with the most novice players playing the job). 0 reason.

[fulminating]

I am not a fan of the noxious changes. It's a single change that completely torpedoes how good it felt to play. I would be happy if they reverted viper to 7.01.
It would be absolutely insane to delete any other job's core mechanic, I cannot fathom how they thought it a good idea here.

Slither does feel a bit snappier, which I appreciate though.

edit: the edited skill names vicewinder etc aren't as cool to me either.