Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[Komarimono]

It was gameplay though. You had to keep track of the debuff duration and your Dreadwinder Cooldown to make a conscious decision of either using Dread Fang or Steel Fang as your GCD in the string. No matter how "small" that bit of gameplay was, in a game where many classes are devoid of such things, it was a breath of fresh air, and it had to go because we are not allowed to have a class that requires even a bit of attention.

Like I said, it was a debuff ya tracked, nothing more. Ya tapped one button... To refresh it if needed. Went into the combo you wanted, then finished the previous combo. So ya save 2 seconds with the changes(Assuming all other buffs up first)

I honestly don't see, keeping track of one debuff as a core of the Job at all. The combos and positionals are what's core to me. Press one button before changing to next combo, to then finish previous combo wasn't what Viper was... Not that I saw at least.

Know what I did see? On certain fights where you have to reapply it anyway, since unable to reach boss in time, to then go into the combos you actually needed.

[Lamarcy2699]

Like I said, it was a debuff ya tracked, nothing more. Ya tapped one button... To refresh it if needed. Went into the combo you wanted, then finished the previous combo. So ya save 2 seconds with the changes(Assuming all other buffs up first)

I honestly don't see, keeping track of one debuff as a core of the Job at all. The combos and positionals are what's core to me. Press one button before changing to next combo, to then finish previous combo wasn't what Viper was... Not that I saw at least.

Know what I did see? On certain fights where you have to reapply it anyway, since unable to reach boss in time, to then go into the combos you actually needed.

Because it still gave you something to think about, especially before doing 2 Reawakens. Sure, you can boil a lot of things down to "why keep it if it's just press button anyway" but you're taking something that was very crucial to VPR. Something that added more of a skill ceiling to it than whatever just having positionals does. You had to be careful of overcap but also mindful to have enough for double Reawaken every 120s. It wasn't a lot but it sure made the job feel much better than it does now. Now it has nothing and a lot of the pace of VPR is just missing because you have nothing to keep track of any more.

[Komarimono]

Because it still gave you something to think about, especially before doing 2 Reawakens. Sure, you can boil a lot of things down to "why keep it if it's just press button anyway" but you're taking something that was very crucial to VPR. Something that added more of a skill ceiling to it than whatever just having positionals does. You had to be careful of overcap but also mindful to have enough for double Reawaken every 120s. It wasn't a lot but it sure made the job feel much better than it does now. Now it has nothing and a lot of the pace of VPR is just missing because you have nothing to keep track of any more.

What was there to think about? Do I have 12 seconds left on debuff? If Yes, Reawaken Combo. If No? Hit Dreadfangs, then hit Reawaken Combo. Finish 123 Combo, by time second combo Finished, need to re-apply if Dreadwinder is ready. Dreadwinder not ready? Tap the button, go into Dreadwinder combo, then finish 123 combo.

I'm not seeing the complexity here. Ya just saw if ya had 10-12 seconds left, depending on what ability was about to be off cooldown. And I've never seen an overcap, or ever see a reason to.

[Kersplosion]

You realize that you're admitting in your post, a thought, that you no longer have to have. And that one thought across a fight is an aspect of engagement that is now missing. It adds up.

[Komarimono]

You realize that you're admitting in your post, a thought, that you no longer have to have. And that one thought across a fight is an aspect of engagement that is now missing. It adds up.

If you mean me? Not really See if red debuff number under 12. A nanosecond of thought. I was always more concerned over the mechanics of a fight, and when I'd be using True North due to them.

[AurorBorealis]

Right now the JP forums are a bit miffed by the Viper changes as well. Most of the posts are saying that the viper class designer should have stuck to their design philosophy. This is the Japanese equivalent of being spammed with "No balls lol".
Other posts mention (correctly) that one month is too short for analyzing player feedback and they should have waited longer before making such a big change.

Rare JP and West agreement moment.

[ovIm]

What was there to think about? Do I have 12 seconds left on debuff? If Yes, Reawaken Combo. If No? Hit Dreadfangs, then hit Reawaken Combo. Finish 123 Combo, by time second combo Finished, need to re-apply if Dreadwinder is ready. Dreadwinder not ready? Tap the button, go into Dreadwinder combo, then finish 123 combo.

I'm not seeing the complexity here. Ya just saw if ya had 10-12 seconds left, depending on what ability was about to be off cooldown. And I've never seen an overcap, or ever see a reason to.

It was not much, but that bit of Gameplay is now gone, replaced with nothing. Alternating GCD. If you can not fathom that people actually wanted that tiny Debuff to track because it kept them engaging, because it made the class fun to them, then I really have no idea what else to tell you.

[Komarimono]

It was not much, but that bit of Gameplay is now gone, replaced with nothing. Alternating GCD. If you can not fathom that people actually wanted that tiny Debuff to track because it kept them engaging, because it made the class fun to them, then I really have no idea what else to tell you.

Ya, never saw it as engaging. Maybe due to how my UI is so can easily see debuffs and track them without losing focus on the fight? Not sure. What I found to be far more engaging, like I said earlier, was the proper use of True North due to a fights mechanics. That was far more engaging to me, since being off one second and unable to change position, could mean bonus damage or not.

[zaya_moya]

Ya, never saw it as engaging. Maybe due to how my UI is so can easily see debuffs and track them without losing focus on the fight? Not sure. What I found to be far more engaging, like I said earlier, was the proper use of True North due to a fights mechanics. That was far more engaging to me, since being off one second and unable to change position, could mean bonus damage or not.

SHOCKER: you can move your debuffs and buffs in your UI and make them large, you can put them in the center of your screen or above your character head.

[Komarimono]

SHOCKER: you can move your debuffs and buffs in your UI and make them large, you can put them in the center of your screen or above your character head.

Ok, and? It was never hard to nor complex to keep the debuff up. So it being gone makes no difference.