Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[AniAG]

- Previously: Meaningful brain usage in deciding whether to refresh the 20s (up to 40s) debuff with 2, or decide it's still running long enough for you to go into Reawaken combo, start with 1 instead, perform a sequence off 3, what have you. Genuine decision-making. All the time.

- Now: 1 gives a one-time buff to the next 2, 2 gives a one-time buff to the next 1. Lasts for 60s, so no pressure. You just alternate how you start the main combo. Always, with all the time in the world to insert Uncoiled Fury or Reawaken. There is no thought to it, no timing, no deciding how much time you have - you just 1[...] 2[...] 1[...] 2[...] and pwess de beeg bottenz wen off CeeDee in between, with all the time in the world.

The thing that gave Viper actual thought was when to insert Reawaken or Uncoiled Fury besides main combo and Dread, and whether to start with 1 (deeps) or 2 (debuff) when Dread was down. Without literally pitch-perfect 100 % uptime and memorization of an absurdly long string, there was no autopilot with this - there was a decision required. Skill expression. A functioning brain in your cranium.

Was it some gigabrain stuff? No. Of course not. But in a game whose jobs are at this point largely dumbed down to the point where you could make a macro or bot press buttons in sequence while you use the arrow keys, it was a little wrinkle that kept your brain active while playing.

There is no need to think about that now - there is no debuff to keep up on any targets, you have all the time in the world to just completely linearly press Reawaken or Uncoiled Fury in any thinkable scenario when off CD, and you will always strictly alternate between 1 and 2 linearly on main combo start each time. Just try not to drool while your neurons flake to the bottom of your skull.

TL;DR: [See described decision-making above] was removed, and the job is now "222 112 221 111 + pwezz beeg bottenz wen iz off CeeDee". That's the job now. I just explained patched Viper. In its totality.

Was fun for the brief time it lasted. I'm... so... sick... of this lowest common denominator game design.

[Teno]

If you really want to voice your opinion on the changes, please spam the japanese forums, this is the only place they read.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

When they came for Monk, no one spoke out for me.

Now they're doing the EXACT same nonsense to Viper, my escape from what Monk has become.

If I didn't already unsub, I'd unsub.

[UNDEAD10000]

Changes to viper is really bad, so bad that now i will never play as viper again when now basic combo rotation is nothing more then follow glowing button.

[Leonus]

People gonna complain.

Change the job, people on the forums cry that “my groin hurts”.

Don’t change the job, people outside of the forums cry “my groin hurts”.

Either way, someone’s groin hurts.

I just laugh at all of you.

[Bright-Flower]

My main takaway is that I feel like if I were a reaper main I'd feel annoyed right now. With Viper losing its maintenance debuff that was tied to its main rotation within a month of being released, while reaper still has two buttons dedicated to just putting up their +damage debuff.

[Reinha]

My main takaway is that I feel like if I were a reaper main I'd feel annoyed right now. With Viper losing its maintenance debuff that was tied to its main rotation within a month of being released, while reaper still has two buttons dedicated to just putting up their +damage debuff.

Eww no, stop with the simplification requests. I don't want reaper to be braindead too.

[Trich]

I'm really disappointed with these changes. the debuff on vpr was really fun to upkeep. a short enough timer to make it meaningful but a part of the combo and cooldowns so figuring out target swaps was very enjoyable. ex1 add phases are really fun to figure out with how to keep the debuff up and swap targets cleanly. i thought complaints were about the dreadwinder positionals i don't understand why we chased down the debuff instead

[Chasingstars]

Debuff reworked into a bootshine buff
Names of abilities seemingly changed at random
Debuff removed from dreadwinder
Lots and lots of potency buffs

I assume you still want Dreadwinder, excuse me, "Vicewinder" as an opener as that is how you get hunter's coil and swiftskin's coil quickly.

[Chexy]

What an awful change, yea just slap even more buff bloat into the buffs and risk buff cap, again. This gnoxious fang change was for players who don't even play the job, if you didn't like it the job was NEVER for you. The buttons do not have any meaning now as well since the buffs all last 60 seconds, just hit the glowing buttons, no thought process, no planning, no thinking. I miss stormblood when they made as WORK for it but alas.