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  1. #1
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    thekavseklabs's Avatar
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    Vynathr Alria
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    Raiden
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    Dark Knight Lv 93

    New Astrologian Feels Awful

    Basically what the title says. I miss the rng. I'm not the smartest so the buffs being straight damage was fine to me but honestly I'd be just fine with the different cards doing different things, I know that's something people missed from earlier on, I just want to feel like I'm pulling cards instead of hitting the same buttons as on everything else. I hate it. Put the rng back. I'm probably not going to be playing AST with any seriousness if at all until whenever this gets fixed, if it gets fixed.
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    Lazariah's Avatar
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    Laz Ravenheart
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I'm sorry you feel that way. I love new AST. It's as fun as it was in SB.

    I just think there's been so many iterations that any one build isn't going to make everyone happy sadly.
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I'm in the same boat. It's rather unfortunate what they've done to AST this expac with the cards. Yes the RNG and fishing for cards was bad, but it felt satisfying to play with the constant cards juggle. I haven't touched AST ever since I got it to 100 lol
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 94
    It's like they tried to replicate Stormblood AST....but without the fun aspects of it.

    They added back the utility effects but made them worse or just plain replaced them with horrible ones.

    But honestly the RNG was the best part of the job, to make use of what was given to you. That and the whole concept of Royal Road was so chef's kisses. When using Sleeve Draw felt amazing and or using an Enhanced Bole on your tank during massive dungeon pulls.

    The devs have become so obsessed with balancing the job (ironic since they end up over buffing AST throughout the xpac anyway) that they've ripped out all of the fun. I raid and do high end content, but I'd rather have fun with a cool gimmick than stale boring cards. ShB AST is the only other AST worth mentioning and that's only the 4.5 version.
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  5. #5
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I’m actually ambivalent on RNG (if they are going to have it it should have quite a few sources of bad RNG protection a la 4.5 AST where you have draw, redraw, royal road and minor arcana) so I went into the rework kinda hopeful

    The problem with modern AST (besides the regular healer problems I always moan about) is the cards are now just pointless bloat doubling up on abilities you already have

    Why do I care about spire on a 2 minute CD when I get basically the same shield+a heal on a 30 second CD with 2 stacks
    Why do I care about ewer on a 2 minute CD when I get 3 charges of ED on a 40 second CD
    why do I care about bole on a 2 minute CD when I get exaltation that also has a large heal on a 1 minute CD
    why do I care about lady on a 2 minute CD when I get opposition for double the healing on a 1 minute CD

    Arrow has niches buffing your shield healers shields (particularly SCH) but basically besides the same cards we already had that now come less frequently all we got were more of the same overbloated single target heals AST already had just with a card flavour
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Kanata Nanaya
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazariah View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way. I love new AST. It's as fun as it was in SB.

    I just think there's been so many iterations that any one build isn't going to make everyone happy sadly.
    I'm sorry, I'm happy that you are enjoying the new AST, really.

    But to compare it to SB AST is simply wrong on many many levels.
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  7. #7
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    Reiya Rahamos
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    they literally only changed the card system and gave 2 powers and an upgrade, really? the previous card system only gave out damage buffs, why are people never satisfied, they don't ask for improvements they just ask for change over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    they literally only changed the card system and gave 2 powers and an upgrade, really? the previous card system only gave out damage buffs, why are people never satisfied, they don't ask for improvements they just ask for change over and over again.
    Because trading damage buffs for heal bloat isn’t an upgrade

    People wanted them to unclog the burst window. Not give us worse versions of the heals we already have 3 charges of
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Kanata Nanaya
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    they literally only changed the card system and gave 2 powers and an upgrade, really? the previous card system only gave out damage buffs, why are people never satisfied, they don't ask for improvements they just ask for change over and over again.
    because, no matter which version you like, every version of AST since Stormblood, is a completely different playstyle, flow. It feels like after Stormblood release, they fired the guy who made it and no one else know what they should do after that, and keep giving the job to the new intern that year hoping for a jackpot. They are afraid of admitting they are wrong if they change it back to a previous version.

    The only skill remain unwacked since the inception of Astrologian except for the healer core skills (Single target/AoE DPS,Heal, 1 DoT, oGCD chunk heal, etc) are Synastry, Light Speed and Earthly Stars, which tbh, have a similar versions for other jobs too.
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  10. #10
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Arrow has niches buffing your shield healers shields (particularly SCH) but basically besides the same cards we already had that now come less frequently all we got were more of the same overbloated single target heals AST already had just with a card flavour
    If you think putting the card on the shield healer makes all the shields they make stronger, I'm pretty sure it doesn't. The JP text is much more clear about it but it only boosts healing received, not healing given.
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