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    I think the perfect example of how mundane the storytelling made it all seem is the english voice acting in a certain combat scene between wuk lamat and a big robot speen. No urgency, completely plain tone, no significance.

    In all honesty, it's impressive how they managed to botch the serious themes so badly.
    It's not what happened, it's how we were told it happened. Storytelling. And it was bad.
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  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    My point exactly thank you for proving you can't share some spotlight.
    God forbid the player character has the spotlight during the majority of story event. I don't know why you act like it a bad thing that as a player, I want my char to be well... the main char in a fantasy-heavy rpg. Other xpac did focus on side char a lot, yet they didn't make the whole xpac about them and their story while were just afking in the back. In dawntrail we play the role of a bag/camera folowing a npc who doing sidequest for half the MSQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    You got 18 games and a 10 year story arc in one of them for ff mainline titles to be the main character and you can't even tolerate a smidgen of someone else being important.
    The reason we got 18 games and 10 year story arc of being a mc and having the story revolve around us is cause whoever wrote the story in those actually understood how to write for this media. This is a videogame, You want the player to interact with the game. Given this is a rpg. they interact through the main character. So you write the story revolving that character. The character don't need to be important in the grand scheme of thing or to be the center of the universe or it world story.

    The point here is that the job of a writer is to ''sell'' a story. FFXIV has been selling that were the Hero of Eorza, the Warrior of Light, and that the game is our journey to save the world. Dawntrail sold the story of Wuk Lmao. It dosen't matter if it good or bad past that step. The issues is that your not bringing the correct ''product'' that been promised.

    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    When I meant beach episode it was more about it being a low stakes story than what we had before.
    Ah yes, the ''invasion from a foreign nation in arr'' is bigger stake than the death of all life form on The source and it shards. The later half of dawntrail has more stake than all xpac bare Endwalker. If you're going to move the goalpost atleast try making it make sense.
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    now that i think about it, this expansion makes me think of a wow expansion. we just kind of stand off to the side while the important lore npcs do all of the work or come in at the last second to take credit. the only time i didn't feel like i was being talked at was during the stretch of story in shaaloni
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    A wise man once said
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    Last edited by TBerry; 08-01-2024 at 05:49 PM.

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    I didn't realize that when I played an RPG (role playing game) that it was to role play as a camera and a rutsack.... Especially for a Final Fantasy game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    I didn't realize that when I played an RPG (role playing game) that it was to role play as a camera and a rutsack.... Especially for a Final Fantasy game.
    But you gotta understand. it really important that Wuk tell you that Erenvill call her clumsy then give you some random quest object so you can give it back to her after walking like 2 min. Otherwise people could say we have no reason to be here during those event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViaDesperare View Post
    Personal Thoughts:
    What Squenix team should've done was pad out the time of actually getting to know Wuk Lamat in more of the EW patches than when she was introduced and with how quickly they tried to speed date us with her. You could practically see the squenix dev team in a corner begging you "So you're going to like her, right? Please like her". Again, it put us at an unnatural pace to develop a bond and relationship with her. What we have with the first half of the expansion is that attempt to continue forming a bond playing catch-up with a naive shut-in princess wanting to become the next hokage.

    The claims of racism are not only unfounded but also unnecessary if you thought it was to add more what was a good argument. A voice actor/actresses circumstance and who they are should not and does not have any sort of impact of their VA work; if anything only their voice range. What truly matters is the direction and writing with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by grinkdaboy View Post
    now that i think about it, this expansion makes me think of a wow expansion. we just kind of stand off to the side while the important lore npcs do all of the work or come in at the last second to take credit. the only time i didn't feel like i was being talked at was during the stretch of story in shaaloni
    7.0 Really seemed to have us playing the role of "Warrior of Likes to Watch"
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    Last edited by Manamaru; 08-01-2024 at 08:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    Good they have thin skin and should reevaluate for being hurt about not being the center of the universe.
    I loved being Hien's sidekick.

    In fact, I miss being Hien's sidekick and you know why? Because Hien was a legitimately entertaining and good character.

    Poochie is not a good character and her "entertaining" moments just made me want to skip cutscenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midare View Post
    I loved being Hien's sidekick.

    In fact, I miss being Hien's sidekick and you know why? Because Hien was a legitimately entertaining and good character.

    Poochie is not a good character and her "entertaining" moments just made me want to skip cutscenes.
    Hien was interesting because we saw someone with personal doubts about themselves rise to being a leader with a population that wanted them, uniting them in revolution against a powerful foe.

    Wookie ate tacos and pibil, earned loyalty somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    My point exactly thank you for proving you can't share some spotlight. You got 18 games and a 10 year story arc in one of them for ff mainline titles to be the main character and you can't even tolerate a smidgen of someone else being important.
    You must have used story skip potions for XIV's entire expansion history and only started with Dawntrail if that is your legitimate opinion. So many characters in the story were more important than us, we're basically the wandering warrior. But never before have we been pushed into the role of almost just being a mere observer.

    Not being the center of the universe has never been the issue. I would have gladly served in the supporting character/mentor role. We just saved the literal universe last expansion, I can take a step back and deal with some very low stakes issue that doesn't require me to solve it. But I'd like to have more of a purpose than being mere highered muscle.

    Every time I see someone mention how they enjoyed mentoring Wuk Lamat, I do a double take. Did we play the same expansion? At what point did we ever do any sort of mentoring? I would have loved to do that. But no, we quietly observe and occasionally choose a dialogue option which essentially boils down to "You got this".
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