#WukLamatMustDie

[Niervel]

Picture this: absent from the entire Dawntrail MSQ, the Eorzean powers suddenly turn their eyes to Tural's vast resources. A shrewd Garlean manages to quietly make the journey to Tural, wherein they sow discontent against the entire idea of the Dawnservant, and in particular against the idea of ordained monarchy. Quietly, this saboteur convinces the great powers of the benefit of a divided and headless Tural, with the Syndicate taking particular interest in how easy it would be to remotely domineer a country that had so-recently experienced such upheaval: offering steady security and a place in the wider world of nations, in exchange for commodities rights, would become alluring indeed...

And so the saboteur would engineer the assassination of the Dawnservants under the banner of liberation and freedom, and instill a clash among the various tribes (who were previously mollified by eating tacos, I guess) in order to draw in interlocutors of the great powers - most trying to play off their interest in Tural's mineral wealth, with Ala Mhigo uniquely intervening to assist the Turalis in resisting foreign, imperial ambitions. The Eorzean Alliance starts bristling at one another over this particular topic: and it is perfect indeed, our saboteur seeking to wrest Garlemald from occupation and to free it from the attention of the great powers.

...Of course, you're not getting this. I really hope you all enjoy the power of friendship and how it can stop ennui embodied in the form of a dubiously-legal female character with a dumb name again.

[Bright-Flower]

I really doubt things would go that smoothly for that plot.

For starters Garlemald is already being given more autonomy, that was a bit point in the 6.5 quests. The alliance is winding down its involvement in the area, so there's no need for a grand conspiracy to distract them.

Second, it seems very unlikely to me that the Syndicate would get wide support in Tural. Outside a VERY BRIEF period after Zoraal Ja's attack on Tuliloyol the continent has enjoyed the better part of a century of peace, and 7.0 ended with that peace reestablished. Galool Ja Ja and the current Dawnservants are generally liked by the people. The scene is not ripe for this kind of turn in public opinion.

Maybe something like this could have worked in the base expansion, with a larger political intrigue. But we're coming off 7.0. With just the post patches to tell a followup story about Tural before we go somewehre else in 8.0. And if they follow the non EW expansion forumula, probably only three patches of heavy on Tural before we start building to 8.0. There isn't time to pull off this intricate of a story even if they wanted to flip the script.

That would also be throwing away any and all development the starting city states have had in treating beast tribes like actual people and working with them in good faith to just decide 'hey let's go be colonizers now.'

This feels less like a feasible outcome based in the game lore and more 'I didn't like DT so I want to see this place burned to the ground.'

[Dorito_Burrito]

POV: You're Wuk Lamat.

She got tongue-tied introducing herself and accidentally said "melon".

[Kozh]

Doubt they'll kill her, but I won't mind if she's getting the aymeric treatment. Forever trapped inside her palace, and whenever Tural makes appearance in the msq, it's Koana who's there as representative.

One can only wish

[Bright-Flower]

Doubt they'll kill her, but I won't mind if she's getting the aymeric treatment. Forever trapped inside her palace, and whenever Tural makes appearance in the msq, it's Koana who's there as representative.

One can only wish

I suspect she'll be like other city state leaders.

She'll most likely have a part to play in the patch series, but I have a feeling it may be more about Galool Ja and him coming into his own as a ruler than about Wuk Lamat directly, but she'll very likely still play a role in that story. At least up to 7.3, and then if they go back to the pre EW formula 7.4 and 7.5 will likely be more about setting up the next expansion than continuing the Tural story.

But by 8.0, she'll be like Lyse or Ryne. Show up briefly if the MSQ sends us back to Tural, but not really having an important role in anything. If we ever get another 'Garlean Invasion' like event where she'd probably show up for that sort of thing, but not have a huge personal role. More things like how Lyse played a part in the Garlean invasion but didn't have the spotlight. Or how we talk to Ryne when we go back to the First, but she isn't a huge focus and just briefly catching up with her.

[Oizen]

[Coratanni]

Our WoLs have lots of experience slaying Primals. Just give us the quest to kill the orange cat Primal and be done with it.

[Superasil]

Dumb and cringe. At this point it's just a meme to hate on her.



If you don't like Wuk Lamat you either:

Are playing withe the EN voices (why??) (I'll be honest, I truly believe that if everyone were forced to play on JP voices they'd have a much higher opinion of her).



or


Don't like JRPGs in general.


Wuk is not a bad character. She is typical enough of most JP games in that she's a sprightly, upbeat, cheerful and positive cute tomboy. The only good point that was in the original post was that yes, sometimes our friends focus a bit too much on Wuk (the example with y'shtola calling Wuk instead of us was a good one). After a decade of entirety focus on us, it's not a bad thing for us to take a slightly more backseat to another character, where we acted closer to a mentor than a fully main character.

[AlysCamoa]

Wuk isn’t a bad character in the same sense that Spot from such thrilling works as See Spot Run isn’t a bad character: you can’t be a bad character if you have no character at all.
The problem is that Hiroi tries to insist through his writing that she is a character, with actual characterization beyond simply being a paper-thin mouthpiece for whatever moralization he wanted to put to pen that day. Despite him insisting these things, they fail to be true.
Also, seeing someone say Wuk took a backseat in the second arc of the expansion was truly one of the baitposts of all time. Quality stuff, that. You’re not getting a quote from me, but know that I recognize the effort.

[Coratanni]

Dumb and cringe. At this point it's just a meme to hate on her.



If you don't like Wuk Lamat you either:

Are playing withe the EN voices (why??) (I'll be honest, I truly believe that if everyone were forced to play on JP voices they'd have a much higher opinion of her).



or


Don't like JRPGs in general.


Wuk is not a bad character. She is typical enough of most JP games in that she's a sprightly, upbeat, cheerful and positive cute tomboy. The only good point that was in the original post was that yes, sometimes our friends focus a bit too much on Wuk (the example with y'shtola calling Wuk instead of us was a good one). After a decade of entirety focus on us, it's not a bad thing for us to take a slightly more backseat to another character, where we acted closer to a mentor than a fully main character.

1) She was forced on us more than any NPC in the history of FF. The English voices only added pee ontop of a poop cake.

2) Been playing JRPG's since the 80's. The vast majority of them don't have you insert her as the leader of a country, nor do they have everyone around her become morons while praising how great and wonderful and perfect she is while all of her solutions are stupid and shouldn't work even by JRPG standards except for the writers needing her to never be wrong.

Here's the real reason. The writing was crap, and her character was crap. /story