#WukLamatMustDie

[Cach]

Here's my pitch:

We make a spinoff action title, turn Wuk into a cyborg ninja and she fights meme dispensers camouflaging as characters with a kickass soundtrack.

We call it Dawntrail: REVENGEANCE.

[WeebPolice]

Citizens, perhaps Wuk Lamat can come back as a villain so the WoL can be justified in killing her thus removing her from the story entirely. We get a story that will be better than the Dawntrail MSQ and everyone will be happy that Wuk is dead.



Remember the fallen.

[Hazama999]

I don't think she needs to be killed or outright removed from the story but I do think her character could use some work... and honestly a character who starts out as a member of our party but ends up becoming the villain is something I'd like to see them do.

[Shibi]

[ViaDesperare]

I mean I can go here and debate you on whethever she had character growth or not, but that's not the point I am trying to make. This weird circlejerk you guys have around hating a single character is off-putting, it's pure brainrot. How often do we have to make posts about hating a character and nodding to each other and keep investing in fanning the flames?

Sure, if they make a new more compelling arc, why not? I don't have a hate boner for her.

Well this is literally the brain rot i am talking about. Imagine going so far as to search for lines spoken as evidence to hate a character of a game, like it's hard to take it seriously.

I think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

You have pretty much just call people who have grievances with Wuk Lamat names, and then when they give you the reason with proof you wave it away. You cover your ears and spout insults towards them.

From the Krile thread, we know that she got robbed because there was so much emphasis on Wuk Lamat. From the voice thread, we know that the EN voice and fake is insufferable and makes the experience worse. From the story thread, we know that the story revolves way too much around her that she takes up even the sidequests and levequests.

Why do Wuk lovers only know how to insult people and call them names? Do you guys lack the ability to argue? Calling people names isn't an arguement. Also, people shouldn't suffer in silence. If people are unhappy then they have the right to voice that they're unhappy. People love the game, that's why they're giving their critics.

“FFXIV is an MMO, but before that it’s an RPG, and before that it’s a Final Fantasy game,” Yoshida states firmly. “At the heart of that rests a focus on making the main scenario something that players care about. We have spent a huge amount of time making sure that the story is as vital to this game as it is to other numbered Final Fantasy titles.”

Source: YoshiP Interview

[gumas]

I dont want her to die, that be too much to be honest

Just lessen her role by 90% like every other gridania limsa and uldah leader and iam good

[Zakuyia]

Wuk lamat greets the Wol only to find it wasn't the wol but the ascian hades....he knew he left a plot undone as he prepared to wipe wuk lamat from existence the power of wuk lamat love for her ppl and her country brought forth power unseen, with one mighty blow wuk lamat tore a sunder hole in emet selch...

Meanwhile my Wol is watching this nodding.
But deep down she cries knowing emet selch failed....

[Zakuyia]

Agree.
I think the biggest question Yoshida and his devs need to ask themselves is:
“For whom do we want to make FF14 the next ten years?”

If the answer is
“for the fans and players from all those years before” then they need to go back to the old worldview of Etherys.
It was gritty, it was grey but with an underlying message of “we can overcome this if we work together “
I don’t say they shouldn’t shake things up and take risks but there are other places to do that like sidequests or Raid storylines.

If the answer is
“for new players and a younger audience” then they have to spell that out clear and open so everyone knows what to expect and if they should quit or if they are ready to go along that new direction.

Can both sides swap? Yes.
A longtime fan can still like the DT story telling and a new fan can come in because of DT but still like the old stories better.
I would think though that the majority has their view and expectations and don’t really want to stray from it.

The writing can be criticized and it deserves it but over everything there sit the higher ups like Yoshida.
This direction ultimately comes from him and his team and I don’t believe he didn’t knew what this expansion is.
He gave his ok probably in best faith and really thinking this would be the correct way.

FF14 was always a game with shonen tendencies but even Shonen can have a deeper and better writing than DT and it has proven that before.

With everything you said I agree. But that horrible writing needs to go. There nothing wrong with introducing new character but when the new character is so insufferable an annoying it bothers the proggression. Honestly confused why this was not about krile but more wuk lamat. The first half could have been dedicated to wuk. 2nd half could have been dedicated to krile and erenville....but nope terrible writing gets in the way.

[Volgia]

Too many replies to quote, but on the central point

You have pretty much just call people who have grievances with Wuk Lamat names, and then when they give you the reason with proof you wave it away. You cover your ears and spout insults towards them.

So as I said, I never felt strongly about Wuk Lamat, but it's hard to argue with people who are looking at data, and working back from a conclusion about how they FELT about a character, and then straight up claim it ruined the expansion for everyone.

And I'm not calling you names, I am saying this is just straight up rotting your brains. It's become a hateful obsession with people echoing each other's opinions, not a willingness to give criticism at all.

[Savagelf]

look if it the WoL or her comrade suggest to her solution then it make sense it would remove the mary sue element.

there ways as i said to nerf bat Wuk lamar.

remove her for final boss. if you bring in a reincarnation of Sphene so she must take the child back to captial
change the quest for her nurse maid
remove Wuk Lamar for show us were armor is. change some dialog for her tried get us live there. that dialog is silly the WoL is reincarnation of Azem her role that of an Adventurer one could even said the leader of anceint task her to explore Emet Selch consider her the heir to seat of Azem