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    #WukLamatMustDie

    Statement:
    We have deduced that Wuk Lamat is a huge problem in the FFXIV story, causing the game to go against the wisdom used to rebuild it. The narrative and gameplay quality of the Dawntrail MSQ has shifted towards the direction that insults the player’s ability and comprehension. Thus, it is that we wish for the character of Wuk Lamat to no longer appear in the future.

    Reasoning:
    It has come to be that the Story of Dawntrail, and the gameplay of the MSQ, is in a horrible state and needs to distance itself from the players due to the following points:

    1. Wuk Lamat is a Black Hole Sue [1]
    The main character of the expansion, Wuk Lamat, is a terrible trope that brings down the story and characters new or old. Personalities, such as Alisae of the Scion and even our own MC, calling her "LlamaTea" are out of character due to never calling other friends in a similar manner and in such a short time period. Y’shtola calling Wuk Lamat by Linkpearl to give us, the WoL, a message is not something that should’ve happened.. She absorbs all the spotlight in the expansion, to the point where the Wild West zone has to be about her, with the bracelet given to her wet nurse, even though she's not present and jumping in during the final trial to kill steal the boss from the player, which makes little sense to how she can do so alone when she's weaker and less knowledgeable than Graha, and makes the victory feel unrewarding.

    Wuk Lamat takes up a huge amount of dialogue as shown with the collected lines. [2]
    This is detrimental to the growth and characterization of the native inhabitants of the New World and other characters like Erenville and Krile, who mainly had a bit of a scene during the final zone. Wuk Lamat is also in the sidequests and levequests, there is no escape from people worshiping her. [3]

    2. False Marketing
    We were told that Dawntrail would be a low stakes adventure with rivalry with the Scions, but we ended up worshiping Wuk Lamat throughout the whole experience instead. The Scions are used for the Dawntrail Trailer, but they barely show up and barely have lines. Erenville and Krile were supposed to have a focused feature in this expansion but we only had very few scenes and lines from them, with Wuk Lamat attached to most of those scenes. We were told that we'd have a vacation, but we ended up watching Wuk Lamat deal with a world-ending threat, Sphene. We also embarked on an adventure that we've already seen, Stormblood and Shadowbringers. [4]

    3. Awful MSQ design
    The MSQ objectives of Dawntrail has us talk to Wuk Lamat around 139 times, compared to the following: 48 speak with Erenville, 16 speak with Krule, 4 singleplayer duty, 17 defeat monsters, and 9 clear dungeon/trials. The MSQ is stunted in design. Dialogue options are built to favor her. The MSQ revolves around Wuk Lamat, where pretty much anything you do has to be about Wuk Lamat and being forced to like her. [5]
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    Resources
    [1.1] Black Hole Sue
    [1.2] GDC Slides
    [2] Lines
    [3.1] Sidequest
    [3.2] Levequest
    [4] DT Main Site
    [5.1] Quest Objectives
    [5.2] MSQ
    [6] Zestiria


    Personal Thoughts:
    To avoid another Tales of Zestiria Rose and Alisha controversy [6], Wuk Lamat should be removed permanently. It’s a waste of our money, the players' money, to support YoshiP to have a rewriting or fixing the MSQ similar to ARR or Tales of Zestiria X. The best way to remedy the horrible DT experience is to change the story going forward OR to give us a free Dawntrail Skip Potion, since the MSQ is mandatory. Players shouldn’t be forced to go through this horrible expansion or have to buy a skip potion from the Mog store for a problem that YoshiP created.

    The English voice acting is also horrible, and the culture appropriation is pretty racist, but we have to live with that. We have to live with the Lore writer characterizing Latin American culture as Tacos. That they’d have amateur American voice actors do bad-fake accents for representation instead of hiring actual people from South America OR voice actors that can actually do the accent needed. The money we put into the game should've been used to make the game great and not to fix the blatant racism, laziness, and incompetence.
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    You are soft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViaDesperare View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito View Post
    You are soft.
    Give us a show, titanmen!

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    The Legends of the Titanmen lives on, a shining example of the power of compassion and the ability of people to make a difference in the world. A reminder that even in the darkest of times, there is always hope, as long as there are heroes like the Titanmen who dare to do good deeds in Eorzea.

  5. 07-29-2024 03:51 AM
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    the whole wuk lamat conversation is just exhausting at this point

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    Some may call this a troll post. Others, a bait post. But honestly? I agree with you.
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    It doesn't matter if it's a troll, they're not wrong.
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    I want to eat a blue pill to forget wuk lamat existence
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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

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    I hope they kill her off. I never want to see her stupid cat face again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    Here before the legion of fence sitters comes to say something like "Oh good, a post that mentions Wuk in the title, that means it can be ignored"
    I just don't see the point in continuously winding oneself up over a character that kinda sucks but probably won't be seen again until maybe late autumn at the earliest. Just makes it seem like outrage is all you live for.

    Also, killing off Wuk Lamat so abruptly would just make a good chunk of the Dawntrail MSQ thus far even more pointless in hindsight. I'd rather the writers at least try and salvage what they've written (if such a thing can be done) before bringing out the nuclear option.
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