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    I am very glad they exist. No waiting in queue (practical to level up dps jobs as queue can be long), no competition for farming minions, no stupid meowing, no rushing and useful to test new jobs. When I run a dungeon for the first time I like to stop to read notes and look around and I like npc convos/input.

    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    That it exists impacts everyone regardless of whether it's engaged with by them or not.
    This is the issue.
    Pretty sure that the majority is happy they exist. If they keep making them it’s because people use the system. There’s plenty of content that doesn’t have trusts anyway. Remove them and you impact a lot of people too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    Pretty sure that the majority is happy they exist. If they keep making them it’s because people use the system. There’s plenty of content that doesn’t have trusts anyway. Remove them and you impact a lot of people too.
    The "majority" were fine before Trust got introduced in 5.0, no?
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    The "majority" is fine, when they didnt know of something they could potentially (like/love), Existed? No?

    Just like the majority was fine when they didnt know Exploration Zones was possible? but once they had a adjusted Eureka and Bozja, they missed it, hungered for it. when it was gone in Endwalker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTK0HLK View Post
    The "majority" is fine, when they didnt know of something they could potentially (like/love), Existed? No?

    Just like the majority was fine when they didnt know Exploration Zones was possible? but once they had a adjusted Eureka and Bozja, they missed it, hungered for it. when it was gone in Endwalker.
    I would like to see data how many players are using the trust system and why?

    but I am sure most people don't use Trust system unless they are DPS for long queues
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    The "majority" were fine before Trust got introduced in 5.0, no?
    There were a lot of people asking for trusts. I personally never asked but was hoping such a system existed. Queue could be awful sometimes for some duties and when you have only 4-7 hours a week max, it counts. Not everyone has countless hours to play games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    I am very glad they exist. No waiting in queue (practical to level up dps jobs as queue can be long), no competition for farming minions, no stupid meowing, no rushing and useful to test new jobs. When I run a dungeon for the first time I like to stop to read notes and look around and I like npc convos/input.


    Pretty sure that the majority is happy they exist. If they keep making them it’s because people use the system. There’s plenty of content that doesn’t have trusts anyway. Remove them and you impact a lot of people too.
    Long queues issue cannot be solved by Trust system.. if that the case that is wrong way to solve it..

    the issue is Healers and Tanks are getting more boring since shadowbringers.. that's why it takes ages to play as DPS

    Just rework these roles and make them better roles no?
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    Eh, I think Trusts is the better between the two.

    We can argue that it's 'double the work' all we want, but ultimately the people scripting these may not necessarily be the same people spearheading other parts of content, and frankly with a solo option you do limit what you can do design-wise, and it makes transitioning from 'solo' to grouped content more difficult. - Let me put it this way, with solo you don't have to care about anything else but your own position, at least with trusts you come to appreciate this more. Equally, you end up developing bad habits because either you won't have stack/share mechanics, or they will be something you take alone which only aids in developing bad habits, e.g., running away with the stack marker rather than taking it in to people. - You then also put people in a position where they can just eat mechanics for breakfast because they will be taking on that multi-role. They'll have the damage of a DPS, the vitality, magic and physical defense of a tank, and a basic healing toolkit to boot. It's a recipe for developing bad habits, especially when you look at implementing it for more general content, e.g., MSQ.

    I think the advantage of the presence of trusts far outweighs any development costs.
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    I like playing by myself, so trusts are amazing. I play with people when I have to, but it's nice not having to do it for most of the expansion. And yea, yea "why are you playing an mmo???", because I want to.
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    I like trusts to learn before grouping with other players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    I like trusts to learn before grouping with other players.
    What's the reason behind this? Is it scary being in an mmorpg with other people?
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