Please don't put Wuk Lamat in the patches

[Kisshu]

Looking at where the story will most likely go, we'll get more of her.

We'll very likely be dealing with the fallout in S9 and the people. This will involve the kid-king, and since he has Wuk as a self-appointed guardian, she will most likely force her way into the patch stories. Can only hope 7.4+.5 won't include her for the build-up of the next expansion.

[Colt47]

Don't worry OP: I think everyone is on the same page whether Wuk Lamat shows up in the future patches or not. The only thing keeping anyone even playing right now is a combination of the fact the gameplay is at least good, though there's probably at least a little bit of copium in the whole thing.

[Raven2014]

My overall argument is just that the character isn't the problem, and getting rid of them won't solve the main issue.

Depending on the particular issue. In the case of Wuk, it will very likely solve it.

- How can you fix a flat character? Make them less flat.

- How can you fix a shallow character? Give them more depth.

But what is WL's main issue? I think I can speak for quite a few people when I say her main issue is there is too much Wuk Lamat. And how can you fix that issue? To remove, to have less. Because any other attempt to fix will mean you gonna give the players even more Wuk Lamat, which will make the issue even worse. This is not uncommon in TV shows, if a character's is written into a wall and they're perceived as the poison chalice, it's not uncommon for the character to be ease out from future season.

See, you just agreed with me. If you just said "the iteration of the character suck", you just separated the character from the writing, like I'm trying to tell you.

No I didn't, I always tie the character to their writer.

My point is, getting rid of Wuk Lamat will make us breathe a little from finally being away from her after DT, but if the writers don't change, nothing will be solved long term.

Depend on what they do you can be half right.

Let's say a chief mess up, put in too much heat and burnt a corner of the dish. If the (same) chief realize the mistake, they can reduce the heat, and try to save the dish by cutting out the part that was burnt.

Even if you're going to bring in a 5-star iron chief to replace the current one, they still gonna have to cut off that burn section because they won't just be able to magically revert it to normal.

And to me, WL is that burnt portion. Feel free to disagree, but yeah WL is "that bad" to me.

The reason I say you are half right because yes, ideally I think they should swap the writing team on the ground of competency. But even a new team won't be able to save WL, not in the near future. She gonna have to be put on a long cool down period at the very least.

Really I was just answering your "And ... how do you differentiate between the two?" over there.

The problem with your logic is that if you just separated the two, then there will never be such a thing as a bad character, or good character for that matter. Which will render any character discussion essentially moot. In your own example, Alphinaugh went from bad to good because the writers change. If you use that as proof of Alphinaugh has always been a good character ... does that mean he would still be a good character, even if his writer never changed from ARR? Do you see the contradiction here?

If a character can never be bad (or good), what is the point of saying the character isn't bad? That's why I asked in my first post: do you have an example of a universally bad character that even a god tier writer won't be able to make good?

My point is fictional characters don't write themselves, they are not a separated entity from the person writing them. That's why I don't separate them, when I say "this character is bad", it's a synonym to "the writing of this character is bad" and vice versa. I just prefer the former because it's a shorter sentence.

My definition of good and bad character is actually quite simple because it has nothing to do with what they are or how they act: good characters fullfill their intended roles, otherwise they are bad. That's it.

I think she may be about to get Lyse'd

I'm actually hoping she will get Minfiliaed.

Don't think she's deserved a Moenbrydaed, that would be too harsh but Lyse'd felt a bit too linen.

[Themarvin]

She is better than Aymeric and Lyse for sure... even Ghraha.. and Emet Selch?

Please keep her, and no I am not kidding, am seriously tired of pitch perfect English voice overs, you guys should rather question parts of the writing instead?

[Nothv13]

She is better than Aymeric and Lyse for sure... even Ghraha.. and Emet Selch?

Please keep her, and no I am not kidding, am seriously tired of pitch perfect English voice overs, you guys should rather question parts of the writing instead?

What drugs are you on? Her issues are tied directly to the writing. The poor VA is just the tip.

[MoofiaBossVal]

I do not find the character to be personally unlikeable. She just happens to be the mouthpiece for obnoxious and hypocritical LOVE AND PEACE and I KNOW YOUR PAIN, which is a problem that has been present since the ShB patches and was a major problem with Endwalker. Wuk Lamat could be absent from the patches but this problem will remain and other characters will be used to do it.

[Colt47]

I do not find the character to be personally unlikeable. She just happens to be the mouthpiece for obnoxious and hypocritical LOVE AND PEACE and I KNOW YOUR PAIN, which is a problem that has been present since the ShB patches and was a major problem with Endwalker. Wuk Lamat could be absent from the patches but this problem will remain and other characters will be used to do it.

We literally committed genocide and were greeted with an off pitch Disney musical after one of the most ham fisted scripts in a final encounter I've seen since ARR. To tell you the truth it was probably worse than ARR since at least in ARR they didn't lose track of the entire plot.

[Mnemy]

WUK LMAO BETTER THAN AYMERIC??? Jesus Christ on a pogo stick that is the shittiest take I've ever seen in this site LOL

[NishaSetsuya]

Wuk lamat is fine but she overshadowed other character that should had been in the spot light at time like his brother or Krile. I think 7.X onward will set us up with some plot around the key (We all saw the Azem symbol in the beginning cutscene of queen eternal).

We might see her a little because of Sphene crown tho...

[CaptainLagbeard]

I just want two things from them in 7.x content, no wuk and fixing healers.