Please don't put Wuk Lamat in the patches

[Serilyn]

Please, I don't care if she's still in the patches, just stop giving me no option to say no to her (used to be we'd often have a mean or ... choice of response to things. This expansion most options are just happily agree with her. The one ... I had was to refuse to use her pet name.). Stop making me blithely smile and nod at everything she suggests. Stop pairing me up with her when everyone splits up EVERY SINGLE TIME. Stop telling me I get to have a break and then having her barge in and ruin it. Please. It feels like torture, I don't want her running around with me on follow mode, I want to explore for myself. Let ME decide if I want to talk to her, don't force me to.

Unlike it seems a lot of people I sensed the Lyse-similarities right from the first time we saw her post-EW (now I didn't like Lyse when I played SB, but with some streamers getting aggressively anti her it made me warm to her a bit and realize she wasn't so bad. I mainly disliked that she got the position that M'Naago should have and just generally dislike overly naive characters, especially when put in positions of rulership). When I got to DT my suspicions were confirmed, and far worse than I'd imagined. It has taken me so long to get through this expansion so far because it is boring me to death and I don't want to skip or not read things in case I miss something. I keep feeling like I'm going to fall asleep, or wanting to do anything else.

I understand that some people like her character. But please, tone it down a lot. Give those of us who don't like her a chance to have some space and say no to her.

[Plumerian_Ariadust]

It would make a bit of sense to have WL take the backstage for various reasons like grieving for her dad (and her new, somewhat of am friend, Sphene).
She had no time to grieve GJJ's death but instead charged head on to confront Zoraal Ja, hell they could even go as far as her going to mamook and continually fighting her father's shade to spend more time.

Having interactions that was supposed to be hers be replaced with Koana.
I don't know why but it feels like he would make much more sense with mending/bridging the relationship between Tural, Solution 9, and overseas affairs.

[Boblawblah]

It would make a bit of sense to have WL take the backstage for various reasons like grieving for her dad (and her new, somewhat of am friend, Sphene).
She had no time to grieve GJJ's death but instead charged head on to confront Zoraal Ja, hell they could even go as far as her going to mamook and continually fighting her father's shade to spend more time.

Having interactions that was supposed to be hers be replaced with Koana.
I don't know why but it feels like he would make much more sense with mending/bridging the relationship between Tural, Solution 9, and overseas affairs.

As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.

[Serilyn]

As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.

I can only think that those who did notice weren't in positions with enough authority to actually do anything about it, or were ignored. Because how can you not notice.

Even non-msq quest NPCs constantly refers to us in relation to Wuk Lamat. Its you're from the third promises group, or her retainer, and thus all credit for side quests goes to her too... Very, very rarely do they actually address us as an adventurer, or even ask us our name (there's one side quest with the giants which I love because we actually do mentor and help the NPC who by the end has learned how to help himself).

I do wonder though, presumably the Lyse backlash was less than this, how did that play out with the SB patches and how quickly did she start fading into the background? Because if they do want to change things I imagine that might be some indication of how quickly it might happen (I was playing at the time but honestly can't remember).

[Turtledeluxe]

As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.

I don't think there's any turning it around. She needs a good long break, like maybe she returns to collaborate on a larger mission in a totally different expansion amongst many other new allies. Nothing should be as focused on her ever again.

I'll give 7.1 a pass but after that if I'm seeing Speak to Wuk Lamat 50x, I'm taking it as a sign of dev incompetence that is now irredeemable.

[Raven2014]

As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.

It's not that hard to imagine though. Not sure about anyone else but when I was younger, I absolutely thought I was cooking, putting together stories in my head just to have other people point out how cringe inducing it is. Or people taking college writing class the first time, spent a ton of hours and gleefully turn it in believing they wrote a A+ paper just to get a C grade. The point is, it's not hard to imagine an individual or even a team to get tunnel vision and locked in their own echo chamber, failing to realize mistake. That's why you always need an "independent" editor to run through thing, someone who wasn't involved in the original creating process. Even if DT had a supervising structure in placed, ironically if the supervisors were also involved very closely to the creating process, that actually would blindside them.

I don't think there's any turning it around. She needs a good long break, like maybe she returns to collaborate on a larger mission in a totally different expansion amongst many other new allies. Nothing should be as focused on her ever again.

I'll give 7.1 a pass but after that if I'm seeing Speak to Wuk Lamat 50x, I'm taking it as a sign of dev incompetence that is now irredeemable.

The kindest treatment they can give her is a Minfilia 2.0. Pull her from the story for a couple expansion, and give her a short but heroic return.

I would say G'raha 2.0 would work too, but I'm not sure I fancy her being the principal character of a second expansion.

[Shibi]

The kindest treatment they can give her is a Minfilia 2.0. Pull her from the story for a couple expansion, and give her a...

...side quest, running a taco stand?

Make it blue, an aethercurrent or a bit of food as the reward.

[CamuiKushi]

Having interactions that was supposed to be hers be replaced with Koana.

This could def work with minimal rewrites.

Wuk needs the Lyse treatment. She is the ruler of her kingdom. Just have her do that going forward. TADA problem solved. Personally I prefer they get rid of her all together so we do not accidentally have to deal with her again at a later date.

I'm OK with dealing with her in the future. I don't hate Wuk Lamat at all. I hate how they used her in this story. Sidelining her would be the most satisfying thing to do with her for me.

[WeebPolice]

I agree with the title, citizens. The character that destroyed the Dawntrail MSQ should not be brought back. Boycott Wuk because he sucks.




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