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  1. #111
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    Shara Dei-ji
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust View Post
    It would make a bit of sense to have WL take the backstage for various reasons like grieving for her dad (and her new, somewhat of am friend, Sphene).
    She had no time to grieve GJJ's death but instead charged head on to confront Zoraal Ja, hell they could even go as far as her going to mamook and continually fighting her father's shade to spend more time.

    Having interactions that was supposed to be hers be replaced with Koana.
    I don't know why but it feels like he would make much more sense with mending/bridging the relationship between Tural, Solution 9, and overseas affairs.
    As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

    It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.
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  2. #112
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    Pure Mallace
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Let's solve what you think is bad story writing, with more bad story writing. A death like that is the equivalent of an actor in a TV show being fired, and the rest of the characters dealing with their awkward plot hole death.

    Hard pass. Comments like this are proof no one here really knows what they want. The Wuk Haters are not bright, and are a stain on this fan base. Not denying there aren't real criticisms, but at this point it's a cult. Please stop.
    Wuk needs the Lyse treatment. She is the ruler of her kingdom. Just have her do that going forward. TADA problem solved. Personally I prefer they get rid of her all together so we do not accidentally have to deal with her again at a later date.
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

    It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.
    I can only think that those who did notice weren't in positions with enough authority to actually do anything about it, or were ignored. Because how can you not notice.

    Even non-msq quest NPCs constantly refers to us in relation to Wuk Lamat. Its you're from the third promises group, or her retainer, and thus all credit for side quests goes to her too... Very, very rarely do they actually address us as an adventurer, or even ask us our name (there's one side quest with the giants which I love because we actually do mentor and help the NPC who by the end has learned how to help himself).

    I do wonder though, presumably the Lyse backlash was less than this, how did that play out with the SB patches and how quickly did she start fading into the background? Because if they do want to change things I imagine that might be some indication of how quickly it might happen (I was playing at the time but honestly can't remember).
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  4. #114
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    Camulos Kellesha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust View Post
    Having interactions that was supposed to be hers be replaced with Koana.
    This could def work with minimal rewrites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Wuk needs the Lyse treatment. She is the ruler of her kingdom. Just have her do that going forward. TADA problem solved. Personally I prefer they get rid of her all together so we do not accidentally have to deal with her again at a later date.
    I'm OK with dealing with her in the future. I don't hate Wuk Lamat at all. I hate how they used her in this story. Sidelining her would be the most satisfying thing to do with her for me.
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  5. #115
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

    It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.
    I don't think there's any turning it around. She needs a good long break, like maybe she returns to collaborate on a larger mission in a totally different expansion amongst many other new allies. Nothing should be as focused on her ever again.

    I'll give 7.1 a pass but after that if I'm seeing Speak to Wuk Lamat 50x, I'm taking it as a sign of dev incompetence that is now irredeemable.
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  6. #116
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    I agree with the title, citizens. The character that destroyed the Dawntrail MSQ should not be brought back. Boycott Wuk because he sucks.




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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    As odd as it is, I can't help but think that they thought they had a homerun with Wuk in the story. Just the fact that she had like what, 3 times the amount of dialogue as anyone else?? I wonder if anyone even asked "What if people don't like Wuk Lamat?" Or "are we focusing on her too much?"

    It's a bit baffling, but hopefully they can turn it around.
    It's not that hard to imagine though. Not sure about anyone else but when I was younger, I absolutely thought I was cooking, putting together stories in my head just to have other people point out how cringe inducing it is. Or people taking college writing class the first time, spent a ton of hours and gleefully turn it in believing they wrote a A+ paper just to get a C grade. The point is, it's not hard to imagine an individual or even a team to get tunnel vision and locked in their own echo chamber, failing to realize mistake. That's why you always need an "independent" editor to run through thing, someone who wasn't involved in the original creating process. Even if DT had a supervising structure in placed, ironically if the supervisors were also involved very closely to the creating process, that actually would blindside them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    I don't think there's any turning it around. She needs a good long break, like maybe she returns to collaborate on a larger mission in a totally different expansion amongst many other new allies. Nothing should be as focused on her ever again.

    I'll give 7.1 a pass but after that if I'm seeing Speak to Wuk Lamat 50x, I'm taking it as a sign of dev incompetence that is now irredeemable.
    The kindest treatment they can give her is a Minfilia 2.0. Pull her from the story for a couple expansion, and give her a short but heroic return.

    I would say G'raha 2.0 would work too, but I'm not sure I fancy her being the principal character of a second expansion.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnix View Post
    I hope they make her quit the throne and join our party full time for the next expansion.
    Only if she has a fatal accident at some point or no.

    But actually no I dont want it tagging along at all.
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  9. #119
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    Thaelyn Arryn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnix View Post
    I hope they make her quit the throne and join our party full time for the next expansion.
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    Don't look back, that's not the way you're going.

  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    The kindest treatment they can give her is a Minfilia 2.0. Pull her from the story for a couple expansion, and give her a...
    ...side quest, running a taco stand?

    Make it blue, an aethercurrent or a bit of food as the reward.
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