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    Quote Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye View Post
    They list SE as a client, and we know they worked on Forspoken. Still haven't seen any confirmation that they worked on Dawntrail specifically though.

    This all seems kind of conspiratorial, no? If you were SE wouldn't it make more sense to just hire a different consulting firm if SBI has such a bad rap that you have to hide the fact that they worked on your game?
    Dawntrail development started a long while ago, before SBI had their horrible reputation. Kind of hard to restart and rework the whole MSQ and development when you're about 6-9 months from launch date, much eaiser for SBI to say "just edit the credits out, and we'll not claim it." Plus, remember, extortion tactics. "Use OUR services OR ELSE." I've said in other post of mine, I'm fine with such consulting companies and such as a whole, as long as they do it right. SBI on the other hand, they are the worst. They are openly bigoted, violent, and downright corrupt.

    Plus, from a "DEI consultant" standpoint, does it make any sense at all SBI wouldn't be involved? Dawntrail is literally about "DEI" Learning of others cultures, heritage, being diverse and inclusive of everyone (except one of course). Plus, when it comes to money and "sending the message", why on earth wouldn't they want to be involved in SE's largest most lucrative IP that has one of the LARGEST audience's in the world? It doesn't make any sense for them NOT to be involved, but it does make sense why they wouldn't want people to KNOW they were involved, do to recent public backlash at their... "practices".

    I don't have a problem with a lot of things, but I DO have a problem with SBI specifically. When one of the employees openly admits she refuses to hire white people cause of skin color. When the CO-FOUNDER literally says publicly "If game developers say no, go have a cup of coffee, and TERRIFY THEM IF THEY DON'T GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT." (Which they did with Black Myth : Wukong. As soon as that developer said "No, i'm not hiring you", Kotaku wrote a hit piece slandering them as sexist.) Another tries to get a guy fired from his job cause they had a disagreement (Kris Kindred). There is tons of examples where they openly admit they hate white people, gamers, and use every mafia tactic in the book to get what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
    Sweet Baby Inc. is the "Consultant Company" they hired. They've been involved in many of SE's titles now, and have SE listed as clients. That's why "representation" sucks in DT, and is more akin to "Tourist Level". Sweet Baby Inc. only has surface knowledge of anything other than African American and LGBTQ++ pandering, while falsely claiming to be "experts" in others, while also spread a message of hatred toward "CiS Gender white people" most of all "Straight White Male Gamers", which apparently are the literal incarnation of Satan to them.

    Side Note : I loved Coco. Mostly when abuelita asked "Do you want some more Temales?" and he says "No, gracias". Abuelita says "I ASKED IF YOU WANT SOME MORE TEMALES?!" and he goes "Si, gracias" and Abuelita says "That's what I thought you said!" That is a trick question, when abuelita ask if you want more temales, she's not asking if you want more temales period, she's asking HOW MANY more you want. You do not get to say no more.
    Was it confirmed they used SBI for DT? I know SQEX used them for other titles, and there's been a lot of speculation, but until there's an actual confirmation that they were the actual consultants used, then I'll hold off. If they were confirmed to be used, I'll probably sell my FC house and take an extended break.

    Sidenote about coco: My favorite is when his abuela pulled out la chancla to scare off the mariachis. I laughed and had minor PTSD.
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    It's either SBI or Kate, because Kate was the one who hired Sena and Luis and those two have a thing of hating white people on their twitter. Kate knew all of this and hired Sena specifically for Wuk Lamat. It may not be SBI but Kate does seem to share their ideology and talking about putting the progressive stuff into the writing, and that's why we have they/them fairies when they have genders in the JP version. Kate is also the lore person and look what happened; Kate became extremely racist and made the culture about tacos after spouting about diversity. If it wasn't Kate then it's SBI, it can't really be anything else. It all comes back to lore, so it has to be one of those two that did the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViaDesperare View Post
    and that's why we have they/them fairies when they have genders in the JP version.
    That’s because of the languages we have, only English has acceptable non-binary pronouns. In French and German at least, Titania is still referred to with a masculine title (monarque and könig) despite looking extremely feminine so it’s not like it’s not there.
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    I don't see any hint of dei I played all through twice or make white the villain. What do I see the AI is evil family can betray each. American is melting pot different cultures realized. You want read stuff a orange hair young man shot blond corrupt lawman. See this reflect on two politician. Second if the whole western alot this reflect on Americans tried work with native Americans. Dei man be tried push their influence but they get spit in face when they do. It to early in expansion to tell. Plus assissan creed hasn't dropped I doubt dei will have much power after it drop. A gay black samurai
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    I for to much it gay Muslim black samurai. So if who works SE may cost themselves they job dei only work till offended the you and your culture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I don't see any hint of dei I played all through twice or make white the villain. What do I see the AI is evil family can betray each. American is melting pot different cultures realized. You want read stuff a orange hair young man shot blond corrupt lawman. See this reflect on two politician. Second if the whole western alot this reflect on Americans tried work with native Americans. Dei man be tried push their influence but they get spit in face when they do. It to early in expansion to tell. Plus assissan creed hasn't dropped I doubt dei will have much power after it drop. A gay black samurai
    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I for to much it gay Muslim black samurai. So if who works SE may cost themselves they job dei only work till offended the you and your culture


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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
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    Got it, you have no proof and are just making stuff up. If you have proof I would love to see it because that would be a bit of a problem for me that SE would trust their cash cow's story of 10 years to an outside source and would make me question a lot of the decisions from the top and from Yoshida himself.
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    They really represented my shard traveling mini race well... and my wife said their representation of native bunny tribes was first class >_>
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    I points dei won't be issue in FFXIV after assissan creed shadow because it will offended the Japanese. One thing don't mess with someone culture or history if it is a problem right now
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