Normal Raids need dps check and enrage time

[lolnotacat]

All I'll say is I love the soft enrage of Wicked Thunder, particularly because I main healer. I've always hated hard enrages. "Hurrr you hit 10 minutes GG." But I love soft enrages that are worked into the mechanics, story, and characters.

tl;dr: More soft enrages like Wicked Thunder in normal.

[Mr_Gyactus]

With respect, you're saying a lot of exaggerated, contradictory, and simply untrue things.

Everyone is already part of the victory. If you don't already understand that, there's an easy way to learn firsthand: queue with a pre-made party for the new raids, have all 4 of your DPS immediately kill themselves, never raise them, and then continue fighting until you achieve victory. You'll notice a meaningful difference in the experience you have, and that difference is because you're lacking what the DPS are contributing to the victory.

In short, everything's fine the way things are, and if you got what you're asking for (enrages) then you would have an even worse time because the average normal raid would never be victorious; the DPS simply wouldn't be good enough. Which is why the devs reserve enrages for Extreme, Savage, and Ultimate content. Thankfully, if you like that kind of thing, you can do the content that already has it.

With respect, you are saying that DPS right now are useful only to hasten the kill and it's true.
DPS haven't a key role, and having them alive or moping the ground makes no real difference.
The problem, as I read from many replies, is that they are aware of this, abuse it, and they want to continue to abuse it.

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Yoshida said something like "this is a test patch (for the content difficulty)". It's true and everyone should be tested.
Enrage is not a good solution? Ok, fine it's not a good solution, throw the enrage in the bin. Another thing will do the trick then.

I'm not running away from the challenge and I'm not asking a SAVAGE difficulty in normal content (or are you implying that healers right now are playing a savage level in normal content?),
I'm asking that everyone is challenged.

[LaylaTsarra]

After trying a few times the 4 normal raids, I came to a conclusion:

you have given all the weight and responsibility to the healers.

Yes, a very noisy and -PARTLY right- group said healing was too easy (and I feel that too, in EW was a walk in the park), but now I say something different.

DPS IS TOO EASY, THEY DIE, fail every rotation and don't take any blame because there is not such a thing as a "dps check" in normal raid.

This is UNFAIR, everyone should be part of the victory and we don't have to win just because the healer is perfect and we have 4 zombies raising over and over until the boss die.

Forum needs a reality check. Please go play another game.

[FuwafuwaMii]

[IMG]In that case, we need spectator mode.

You know, spectator mode would actually be really cool.

[alfarini]

No this is just insane, what happens if all four dps queue in and they are all new?? You gonna start berating them about not doing good enough? Hell no, enrage stays in EX savage and ultimates for a reason. Forcing harder requirements into normal content where it can appear in a roulette is just crazy.

Some days I don't want to go all out on a fight, I won't die at all but I don't do like 1/4 my rotation as I should or usually would.

[Hallarem]

The game doesn't have a nearly intricate enough gearing system to justify any leaps in difficulty of this level.

[hydralus]

No this is just insane, what happens if all four dps queue in and they are all new?? You gonna start berating them about not doing good enough?

Yeah? Why not? Tanks have to deal with being told to pull more and use their mitigations or healers to do more DPS while keeping people alive, don't see why DPS should be getting a clear pass to use 3 buttons and be happy with it.

[LilimoLimomo]

With respect, you are saying that DPS right now are useful only to hasten the kill and it's true.

And Healers are only useful to keep DPS alive. Both roles need each other, and you're throwing rocks in a glass house.

I'm asking that everyone is challenged.

If your goal is for everyone to be challenged, then by your own admission your goal has been met. If DPS are dying, if DPS are having trouble doing their rotations, then they are clearly being challenged. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

[Striker44]

Yeah? Why not? Tanks have to deal with being told to pull more and use their mitigations or healers to do more DPS while keeping people alive, don't see why DPS should be getting a clear pass to use 3 buttons and be happy with it.

Difference there is whether or not tanks pull more, and whether or not healers do more DPS - neither of those affect the ability of the party to complete the content, all that changes is the amount of time it takes. Putting a hard enrage on the DPS potentially makes a run entirely unable to be completed.

I don't see DPS checks or hard enrages happening in Normal content. Remember, the DF and Roulette systems exist precisely so that new players see their queues filled. Start including mechanics that potentially create a "fail state" for such groups, and you'll start seeing the "better" players rely on pre-mades to do their roulettes instead of grouping with potential first-timers, which undermines a key design concept. Keep the legitimate potential for "fail states" in higher-level content.

[LilimoLimomo]

Yeah? Why not? Tanks have to deal with being told to pull more and use their mitigations or healers to do more DPS while keeping people alive, don't see why DPS should be getting a clear pass to use 3 buttons and be happy with it.

If folks are telling you what to do, report them since it's against the ToS; don't make the problem even worse by perpetuating it.

If you were in my group, you could pull however many enemies you wanted as a tank, and I could care less if you do any DPS as a healer. Let's just play the game and have fun together.