Normal Raids need dps check and enrage time

[Silver-Strider]

Do the Alexander Raids still have an enrage?
I remember wiping to Brute Justice enrage way back in HW, but I haven't seen it in years so I wonder if its still there

[AmiableApkallu]

But I mean 14 minutes is a joke anyway. Even the worst party is unlikely to take that long in any normal raid.

Unlikely, yes, but all the same, I've had the dubious pleasure of healing through a 14 minute, wipe-free run of P7N — a run which was recently eclipsed by the 18 minute, wipe-free run of Dawntrail's final trial that I healed through.

There's dragging the party kicking and screaming through hells and high water, and then there's… those runs.

[VictorSpoils]

Enrages won't matter anyway without an ilvl sync, at least in the first and second tiers. Where's the enrage in M1 going to be when it gets burned down in 5 minutes and everyone has too much HP to die, on the off chance they still fail any mechanics?

[PyurBlue]

mechanics are fast chained (almost at the same time, 1-2 sec to adjust).
For example the third boss does:
- 4 zones to cover with a long push when the "thing" drops +
- static bombs exploding in a certain succession +
- a large AOE covering 2/3 of the arena

The push is negated with Surecast and it's infrequent enough that you don't need to worry about cooldown. The time between sets of bombs going off is a bit on the quick side but a pretty fair amount of time is given to analyze them.

As you see, IF the healer doesn't fail the fight continues until the boss dies of old age, IF the healer dies it's very difficult to recover.

I haven't done a lot of normal raid healing yet, but from what I've done healing seems to be fine. Even the big hits on fight 3 automatically coincided with big cooldowns and were dealt with pretty easily. Plus there are two healers. And Potentially 6 res when you factor in DPS. And healer LB3.

I've seen a few disasters in the raids but they're still new. Healers without optimized gear already have enough tools to deal with most stuff so I don't think there is a problem here. Sometimes you'll encounter parties full of players that almost seem like they want to die, but that's not your fault as a healer and it can happen anywhere.

[Supersnow845]

I don’t think hard enrages are a good thing for normal content but there should be 2 things in normal content

1) there should be soft enrages, M4 actually does this pretty decently but this is something that should be totally normal
2) there needs to be some way to curb the amount of rezzes that can be done in a fight, you shouldn’t be allowed to rezz bot a 7 minute fight into a 22 minute fight just because you have one semi competent rezzer and a whole bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Extremely agree.

All content needs a DPS check, even dungeons and solo fights. It doesn't even add difficulty, really, it can be generous, just establish a floor of acceptability. What's the point of a striking dummy that drops aoes until you kill it?

[DynnDiablos]

Interesting. Seeing as I was in four different parties last night that wiped in M3 four times each and eventually disbanded because the healers never could keep anyone above 50% health. Then timed and wasted LB3 every single time. And I stayed alive. Let's not come for the DPS when it seems healers are struggling to...I don't know. Heal?

[PyurBlue]

I don’t think hard enrages are a good thing for normal content but there should be 2 things in normal content

2) there needs to be some way to curb the amount of rezzes that can be done in a fight, you shouldn’t be allowed to rezz bot a 7 minute fight into a 22 minute fight just because you have one semi competent rezzer and a whole bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing

Instead of adding a hard cap this could be done in a more dynamic way where the boss adjusts attacks based on the number of players standing. If there are only tanks and healers late in the fight the boss could start throwing out stack markers for example. Strictly limiting deaths like in Rathalos wasn't fun to me so I'd rather avoid it, just a personal thing.

[CaedemSanguis]

My sweet summer child, you dont know what you're asking

Yet I wont complain, I only run NM raids once (with my static) to unlock savage

[angienessyo]

HW and SB Normal Raids have Enrage Timers... But they're VERY generous and you won't reach them unless your group completely fucks up.

Yep, I've never seen the Heavensward normal raid enrages, but I've definitely seen an SB one. One time half the party died in Halicarnassus back in Shadowbringers and there was no rezzers so we fought her with like, 4 people for funsies. And yeah...there is an enrage on that fight haha The enrage timer on those fights are almost impossible to see because it's so generous. So if they were to put an enrage in DT normals, I don't think most people would see it. I never even knew it existed in Stormblood and I did those fights when they were new.