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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    I hate to break it to you, but Praetorium -- yes, Praetorium, of the MSQ roulette -- has a DPS check / hard enrage.

    Eden's Verse: Refulgence also has a DPS check / hard enrage.

    I've actually seen both. In Praetorium, the party will wipe if it doesn't kill the four adds in time. In Refulgence, it turns out two tanks and six dead party members can't quite break the ice in time.

    SE is perfectly capable of adding a DPS check / hard enrage to normal content without making everyone scream, "tHiS iS tOo HaRd!?!?!2111!!"
    I think we have different concepts of what "DPS check" or "hard enrage" means. The adds you're talking about in Praetorium have minimal HP. They're not a "DPS check" in my opinion - they're a mechanic. If you switch to the adds, you easily take them down. If you tunnel the boss and leave the adds alone, you wipe. Failing isn't because you didn't have the DPS; it's because you ignored the mechanic. I don't recall the thing in Refulgence that you're referring to, but other fights have similar mechanics (e.g. Brute Justice with the four Steam Regulators that pop up in the first phase).

    The concept of a "DPS check" or "Hard Enrage" that I've grown accustomed over the years is a test to see if everyone in your party is sufficiently geared and sufficiently skilled. If people are undergeared or providing minimal contributions, you'll wipe even if you're doing the mechanics correctly. Someone in another thread on here took this from the FF Wiki:

    "A hard enrage is designed to wipe a group if the battle is not beaten fast enough. The purpose of this is to prevent turtling and undergeared groups from beating the battle."

    That's the DPS Check or Hard Enrage I don't see happening in Normal content. Putting a group into a fail state in Normal content because someone is at min ilvl or isn't using all their abilities is just going to cause fractures. Mechanics, on the other hand, seem fine.

    There lots of consequences that don’t equate enrage or direct wipe.
    Similar to what I was addressing above, the typical meaning of "DPS check" is "you have enough DPS to do this or you wipe." The things you're referring to aren't really "DPS checks," and some of them like the add applying a stacking debuff to the tank is more akin to a soft enrage if anything.
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    Last edited by Striker44; 07-27-2024 at 01:38 AM. Reason: Added last part.