Normal Raids need dps check and enrage time

[alfarini]

Yeah? Why not? Tanks have to deal with being told to pull more and use their mitigations or healers to do more DPS while keeping people alive, don't see why DPS should be getting a clear pass to use 3 buttons and be happy with it.

Ok if we did add an enrage to normal raid fights, now we have an issue where we can potentially get a party combo where the fight is not possible. Then what happens? All the DPS get yelled at and kicked, unlike a tank being told to pull wall to wall or use mits. It's not the same thing, not doing wall to wall is the tanks choice and it just takes a bit longer to do a dungeon, not using mits? Well I guess if he tank dies you lose some time and the dps has to tank for a little bit, but better than not being able to clear it.

I never said it's ok for a DPS to exclusively press only 3 buttons, don't project yourself onto me. Your "why not?" Would put the blame only on DPS as a whole. and given that game will not tell you who's doing good damage at all, then anyone who points out that damage is low from X or Y Person then they are breaking TOS by using damage meters.This brings toxicity into the normal raid scene, and it's not ok. If I wanted to be on a timer to complete a fight I'd do Extremes or savage. If you actually thought about the wider scope of the idea you would know your wrong.

[hydralus]

Ok if we did add an enrage to normal raid fights, now we have an issue where we can potentially get a party combo where the fight is not possible. Then what happens?
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I never said it's ok for a DPS to exclusively press only 3 buttons

For your first point, you either kick them and get someone who can handle it, or you disband and try with a new group. I've had it happen with terrible tanks and healers.

As for never saying it's ok for a DPS to press 3 buttons, sure you did, by arguing it's not okay for there to be any sort of challenge for a DPS player to overcome. Indeed, nobody's going to die because a DPS isn't doing their job, and therein lies the issue. People can autoattack their way through the majority of the content. Also you can totally tell when someone is doing very poor damage by their ranking in the team list. Barring deaths (which itself is an issue, if someone is dying constantly while the rest of the team is fine), if you're placed 8th we know something's amiss.

Asides you greatly overestimate the level of DPS checks we're calling for here. Press more than your combo, that's all I'm asking. Not asking for 80th or even 70th percentile here. 50%, a passing grade. Surely you can manage that. Basically asking for someone with a pulse who isn't watching youtube on the side.