Normal Raids need dps check and enrage time

[Zaniel]

Unfortunately OP is "partly" correct. Normal mode fights are purely a healer check, everyone else can be a complete clown and it doesn't matter, power-heal through stupidity, rezz what can't be healed. As long as the healer stays up then its all good. Sadly the solution isn't using a stick, people who stand in 3 mechanic don't care enough to not stand in 3 mechanics regardless of the punishment. I don't have an easy solution but maybe some carrot might work better (though I'm not sure people care about carrot either). Maybe a massive xp/gil/tome bonus based on % of damage done from the DPSes.

[Silver-Strider]

Interesting. Seeing as I when in four different parties like night that wiped in M3 four times each and eventually disbanded because the healers never could keep anyone above 50% health. Then timed and wasted LB3 every single time. And I stayed alive. Let's not come for the DPS when it seems healers are struggling to...I don't know. Heal?

Bad are bad. If I can survive that fight as a VPR with just Second Wind and Bloodbath, Healers have no excuse to not be able to heal thru that fight.

[Leifei]

As a DPS player that loves to push myself, I'd love a DPS check to be in all content. However, history shows that when normal and msq content is made more challenging, a lot of people will quit. Financially, that wouldn't be good for the game's growth. It would start to die out. I remember when people would get the Pharos Sirius dungeon back in the day, and leave the instance immediately because they don't want to deal with the difficulty level. At least we still have them in Extremes, Savage, and Ultimate,

[NekoNova]

stop trying to make normal content harder.
You want harder content? Play the harder content.
There's Savage and Ultimate encounters for a reason.

[DynnDiablos]

stop trying to make normal content harder.
You want harder content? Play the harder content.
There's Savage and Ultimate encounters for a reason.

I am getting the feeling that small sect of folks who treat this game as a second job, actually want to weed out those of us who simply play for fun. Which isn't really fair. Normal content should be accessible to everyone. Again, the hard tiers exist for that reason. Making the entire game overly difficult just alienates the largest portion of the playerbase.

[CaptainLagbeard]

stop trying to make normal content harder.
You want harder content? Play the harder content.
There's Savage and Ultimate encounters for a reason.

It's not really about making normal content harder, just making it so that you can't clear it by just outlasting the boss and people will have to actually contribute to the fight.

[Supersnow845]

stop trying to make normal content harder.
You want harder content? Play the harder content.
There's Savage and Ultimate encounters for a reason.

If you want casual content to be as much of a Faceroll as it currently is where one semi competent rezzer can drag an entire party around for hours then we desperately need content between this and extreme because there is a large subset of players who either don’t have the time or motivation to actually go into PF to do extreme or savage but can Faceroll current normal. This is what alliance and normal raids used to be, actual bridging content

This game has a terrible problem with the gulf in content difficulty that many players find themselves in, either by being good enough to blast through normal but still struggle with extreme or people like me who are hard burnt out on savage because their role is a dumpster fire but still wants some measure of engagement in the game

[Chasingstars]

It's not really about making normal content harder, just making it so that you can't clear it by just outlasting the boss and people will have to actually contribute to the fight.

What you want is type of enrage where the boss will inevitability reach the stage where the players auto-lose, not "kill the adds before the boss reaches 100" enrage. Which is making the content harder as there is less room for screw ups. Savage and extreme are right over there if you crave that kind of content.

[CaptainLagbeard]

What you want is type of enrage where the boss will inevitability reach the stage where the players auto-lose, not "kill the adds before the boss reaches 100" enrage. Which is making the content harder as there is less room for screw ups. Savage and extreme are right over there if you crave that kind of content.

Basically yes. And as stated earlier in the thread, they actually used to have that in HW and at least in Deltascape in SB... And the enrage timer in Deltascape is somewhere around 14 minutes.
A fight won't usually last even 10 unless the death count's reaching triple digits.

[Reimmi]

No. Leave normal content alone, if you want harder content, do Savage.

Having a dps check doesn't make it harder
it just makes it have a fail state instead of "eventually you win lol"