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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Problem with FFXIV is that there is no catchup gear.

    Savage and upgraded capped tomestone gear mix remains BiS until next savage patch. Alliance gear is glam-only, since its -10 ilvl. And while alliance gives alternative to upgrade mats, it does not help with tome weekly caps.

    In the past it was less important, but now you need savage gear for ultimates and criterion dungeons were added that needs you to be geared as well.

    Its hard to have multiple jobs ready for this, more so if you are midcore player (less raid playtime/week) or only PF - for the latter with bad luck you might not even have enough time to get what you want if you have to resort to books.

    IMO SE can leave savage stuff as is, but given how many jobs we have alliance patch really need to allow proper catch up by having alliances give BiS. Yoshi-P even floated the alliance savage version idea, this for sure should give good gear which will keep it active.
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    Kokola Kola
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    Malboro
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I do wish they'd find another system for raid gear (normal and savage).

    I really like the normal raids this time around, they're fantastic. But I did them on Tuesday. And then I have nothing to do for seven days? Why isn't it grindable? Why is that the only thing to get besides a minion? It just feels like a relic from an era when the levelling process mattered in terms of playtime, so there were other things to do.
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    Solis Lux
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    Sargatanas
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I'm good with weekly lockouts, but they need to be cumulative over the tier so you can catch up after breaks or if your savage prog was slow.

    What's even more important is once you own a piece of gear for one job, the same savage/tome piece should be DRASTICALLY (like 75% cheaper) faster to get on another job.
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    Solis Lux
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    Sargatanas
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LilaIronman View Post
    Thats why its called END GAME RAIDING not Casual Game Raiding
    This has nothing to do with anything. Waiting a week isn't difficulty. Not letting me flex mid-tier from DPS to healer isn't difficulty, it's just annoying.

    There are reasons why there are limits placed week by week, but I'd argue the system we have is too restrictive.
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora428 View Post
    Not letting me flex mid-tier from DPS to healer isn't difficulty, it's just annoying.
    Curious but ... what stop you from flexing mid-tier from DPS to healer? Because I know it's not the gears that stopping you.
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    Himeko Yurimura
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    Shiva
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Curious but ... what stop you from flexing mid-tier from DPS to healer? Because I know it's not the gears that stopping you.
    Their Mentality of needing to max out every job to be able to play it. Necklace and Ring for DPS job ? Nahhh their not gonna play it because parsing is all
    they think about.
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    Letho Orwyth
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    Leviathan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Realistically speaking, with how many jobs we're at and how many we'll likely be getting... Yeah they need to reconsider gearing methods. At the very least separate weekly stuff by roles, the game encourages you to have all five up with the role quests. It'd be nice if there were other gearing methods like criterion and what not too, make other content more valuable (which they said they wanted to do anyway with the whole 1.5x more rewards for DT). The gearing system is literally 1:1 based off of WotLK's from what 2008? It could use a good review and update.
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    V'alyn Sun
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    Spriggan
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    Carpenter Lv 100
    I don't disagree with the complaint that the way gearing works is painful for people who like playing multiple jobs, but anyone who claims it is trolling/griefing to play content with a few bits of gear that aren't the bleeding edge maxed out bis is toxic as hell and it's going to be miserable playing with them even when you are fully geared to the absolute best.
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    Memento Mori
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    Twintania
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ValynS View Post
    I don't disagree with the complaint that the way gearing works is painful for people who like playing multiple jobs, but anyone who claims it is trolling/griefing to play content with a few bits of gear that aren't the bleeding edge maxed out bis is toxic as hell and it's going to be miserable playing with them even when you are fully geared to the absolute best.
    I wouldn't say it is trolling/griefing, however, I would feel like I am griefing if I went into content on an alt job with worse gear than my main.
    Consider this scenario which has happened to me quite a few times before in savage; I go into a PF and I want to play on an alt. We enrage at a low percentage, it's entirely possibly that had I been on my main, we might have killed it instead. In my opinion, I feel like I griefed the group. The other 7 people in the party are outside my control, but there were absolutely things I could have done that would have prevented the enrage, namely, playing a better geared job.
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    Meridia Astra
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    Maduin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Collin_Sky View Post
    I wouldn't say it is trolling/griefing, however, I would feel like I am griefing if I went into content on an alt job with worse gear than my main.
    Consider this scenario which has happened to me quite a few times before in savage; I go into a PF and I want to play on an alt. We enrage at a low percentage, it's entirely possibly that had I been on my main, we might have killed it instead. In my opinion, I feel like I griefed the group. The other 7 people in the party are outside my control, but there were absolutely things I could have done that would have prevented the enrage, namely, playing a better geared job.
    It's a fact that any tier can be cleared in just crafted gear. That leaves this being a skill issue. This is not a knock, but if you are hitting enrage, it's 100% skill issue and not a gear issue. That doesn't mean just you personally, but as a group.
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