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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    … it seems the devs tried to cast VA's with indigenous heritages, at least in English.
    I doubt there would be many in the other languages...

    How and when did I give the indication that I viewed Latin America as a single culture. It is a region, nothing more. And usually refers to everything below the USA. So where was I wrong in stating the VAs I mentioned have Latin American heritage? And last I checked Chile was in South America.

    I was merely pointing out to the OP, that the VAs used were experienced, and it appears that the Devs tried to use VAs with indigenous heritage. That's all.
    Yet you amalgamante everything, keep talking about heritage while everyone was born in the US (save one) and live in the US and treat Latam as a homogeneous region in your comments. If anything, the treatment of VAs in the game is very American culturally speaking.

    Explain to me how choosing someone of Mexican descent born in Chicago has anything to see in any way with a character like Mablu (complete different region, language, ethnicity and culture)? How is that «native» to the region? It’s no different from choosing someone of Irish descent from New York to do the VA of an Inuk from Iqaluit.

    Also, you use indigenous heritage very loosely. Spanish heritage is not indigenous heritage. The guy from Chile (and I like his work), isn’t indigenous.

    If they want to go the origin route (which should not be a consideration) at least select actors from the concerned regions instead of pretending (and yes there are several actors that speak Quechua though, as Spanish, I think it irrelevant for a fantasy game that doesn’t even use the language).


    On this we agree though:
    I agree that it shouldn't matter where you come from, as long as you can do the job. But I never once implied it's what drove everything
    That being said, I think that most of the VAs did a decent job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    Yet you amalgamante everything, keep talking about heritage while everyone was born in the US (save one) and live in the US and treat Latam as a homogeneous region in your comments. Explain to me how choosing someone of Mexican descent born in Chicago has anything to see in any way with a character like Mablu (complete different region, language, ethnicity and culture)? How is that «native» to the region? It’s no different from choosing someone of Irish descent from Toronto to do the VA of an Inuk from Iqaluit.

    Also, you use indigenous heritage very loosely. Spanish heritage is not indigenous heritage.

    If they want to go the origin route (which should not be a consideration) at least select actors from the concerned regions instead of pretending (and yes there are several actors that speak Quechua though as Spanish, I think it irrelevant for a fantasy game that doesn’t even use the language).

    On this we agree though:
    Okay, I feel like you just wanna argue.

    Where someone is born has nothing to do with their ethnic heritage. And how am I treating Latin America as a "homogeneous region". I just said it was a region, which it is, just like the Middle East, Scandinavia, the Mediterranean, all are regions.

    And again, I never once said Spanish, you guys did. I've only ever said Indigenous American, which spans all the way from the top of North America to the bottom of South America.

    Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Okay, I feel like you just wanna argue.

    Where someone is born has nothing to do with their ethnic heritage. And how am I treating Latin America as a "homogeneous region". I just said it was a region, which it is, just like the Middle East, Scandinavia, the Mediterranean, all are regions.

    And again, I never once said Spanish, you guys did. I've only ever said Indigenous American, which spans all the way from the top of North America to the bottom of South America.

    Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
    Save perhaps one or two, none is of Indigenous heritage. Do you even know the meaning of the word?

    About the actor from Chile that you mention, I corrected you by saying that he is not «of an ethnicity indigenous to the Americas». He is from Chile, true but not indigenous. Chilean is a nationality, not an ethnic origin. You are mixing things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    Save perhaps one or two, none is of Indigenous heritage. Do you even know the meaning of the word?

    About the actor from Chile that you mention, I corrected you by saying that he is not «of an ethnicity indigenous to the Americas». He is from Chile, true but not indigenous. Chilean is a nationality, not an ethnic origin. You are mixing things up.
    And what do you think indigenous means? Because as far as I know it means people native to a region, prior to foreign settlers. In this case European settlers. So why can't these VAs have indigenous heritage? Should I say Native American? That would be just as accurate, but conjures a different image.

    Also I think you are confusing certain terms here. It is very difficult to distinguish, at least in English, the difference between an ethnicity and a nationality, since the same word is used. When the VA from Chile said he's Chilean, he means his ethnicity, as well as nationality I'm sure. But all of these are ethnicities. Like me. Ethnically I'm Puerto Rican, but nationally I'm from the USA. But Puerto Rican is used for both. Blame the English language, not me.
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    While the art division was stellar, i've in the places the game was inspires to and it was fantastic everything else concerning latam is just superficial at best including music and voice acting.
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