Are we destroying "our own" game?

[FuwafuwaMii]

Browsing through the forum here and watching Youtube videos I clearly see how people seem super unhappy with the new Expansion.
Playing the game for myself and also in my fc and social groups I did not experience that feedback for quite a while.
I never checked this froum in the past and just came here recently to look for the "community voice" but.. is it really that bad? Are people that mad about DT or was it always like that in the forum? Maybe someone that observed the forum for a few years can tell me.

I personally think DT is fine story wise.. sure it may not be peak epic but I feel like it is quite good. I was entertained especcially for the last part of it.

The content imo is great. It is more entertaining than in the past and we now even can wipe here and there, which is often funny. People are saying it is too hard but idk isnt it exciting to have a look at the boss while doing roulettes? (talking about dungeons)

For the raids it is kind of the same. I dont feel like they are particulary harder than - for example - ShB Normal Raids?

Are here any people that actually enjoy the game? And if not.. where are they? I've heard player counts are looking good, and I tbh can imagine why.

It makes me kind of sad hearing all that stuff about "dungeons too hard for me" "raids too easy for me" "story is bad" "bring back stormblood", I have the feeling people are more and more driven into the mindset "Well if everyone says it is bad.. then it must be bad!" until they actually feel that way.

For some reason, people on these forums are always very dramatic. Even during Shadowbringers, people went on long rants why "this expansion is the worst", while the objectively worst expansion, Heavensward, is now lauded as acclaimed masterpiece years later. It's a never-ending cycle.

While people may have a point when they criticise something, they often choose the most outrage-inducing language. Maybe media is to blame for this. If someone's news diet comprises sensationalist headlines on the internet, they can't be expected to express themselves in a more appropriate tone.

[Volgia]

False. Preach and Zepla have been straight up laughing at dialogue choices in game, and not out of affection. Before you drag your fingernails down a chalkboard for BGM music when you tell me you don't give a care for streamers, guess who are the ones that the devs will have a better chance of paying attention to between this forum and them?

Steam reviews for Dawntrail are sitting on mixed and are dwindling by the day. This is as simple as checking by simply booting up Steam and looking for yourself. What was that again about all locations sharing the same opinion?

This is gaslighting levels of claim.

I think the only thing I'd like to add to this thread is that I wouldn't count or trust content creators more than anyone else in game, forum or friend to give an honest opinion about the game. Quite the contrary in fact, they're in the business of keeping conversations open and your eyes on their stream or youtube videos for profit, so if its interesting or provocative to say a game is bad, failing or whatever, they are likely to jump on the trend for views and engagement.

[Eraden]

At first Mao was exciteds to be with Lady Fuzzy Cat. Then story gots bogged down into lots "go here, then go there, then come backs and start all overs again" quests and Mao started getting boreds. But waits! Mao still has excitings new job abilitys to looks forwards to! NOPES! Mao favorites job, BLMs gots WRECKED! But waits! If Mao can't has funs with MSQs or job, Mao can still has funs with new glam changes! NOPES! Is VERY FEW gears whats can be double dyed and even thems pretty lacklusters. But waits! If Mao can't has funs with MSQs or job or glams, Mao can still has funs with changes to housings. NOPES! No changes coming to housings yets. Maybe laters. Maybe nots at all. So can anyones tell Mao WHY Mao should care ATS ALL abouts this horribles expansion?

[Isala]

For some reason, people on these forums are always very dramatic. Even during Shadowbringers, people went on long rants why "this expansion is the worst", while the objectively worst expansion, Heavensward, is now lauded as acclaimed masterpiece years later. It's a never-ending cycle.

What in the revisionist history? The "worst" expansion? There's a reason that the meme was about the free trial with the "award winning expansion, Heavensward." It was damn good, and accepted as such even then. Yes, people hated Bowmage and Gunmage, and people got filtered by Faust, but the rest of the expansion was widely praised even then.

[Isala]

I think the only thing I'd like to add to this thread is that I wouldn't count or trust content creators more than anyone else in game, forum or friend to give an honest opinion about the game. Quite the contrary in fact, they're in the business of keeping conversations open and your eyes on their stream or youtube videos for profit, so if its interesting or provocative to say a game is bad, failing or whatever, they are likely to jump on the trend for views and engagement.

Bullcrap. Content Creators that actively play the game have a vested interest in the game being good, so they keep an audience, especially Preach, who had to find other things to do, because WoW was so crap that he was losing his audience, because nobody wanted to watch the game.

[FuwafuwaMii]

What in the revisionist history? The "worst" expansion? There's a reason that the meme was about the free trial with the "award winning expansion, Heavensward." It was damn good, and accepted as such even then. Yes, people hated Bowmage and Gunmage, and people got filtered by Faust, but the rest of the expansion was widely praised even then.

Nah. Heavensward had terrible raids, terrible encounters and terrible class balance. Some classes were considered griefing if you brought them to a PF team. HW was definitely the worst expansion they brought, but it was also the first one, and they learned from their mistakes. Go back to those times on this forum, and you'll see some dramatic wails from people.

[Volgia]

Bullcrap. Content Creators that actively play the game have a vested interest in the game being good, so they keep an audience, especially Preach, who had to find other things to do, because WoW was so crap that he was losing his audience, because nobody wanted to watch the game.

No, they have a vested interested in keeping themselves relevant, they have as much interest in keeping the game good as anyone who has been a fan of this game for years.

I am not saying they are disingenous or lying to you, but always keep in mind that their business is keeping you engaged for profit.

[Boblawblah]

At first Mao was exciteds to be with Lady Fuzzy Cat. Then story gots bogged down into lots "go here, then go there, then come backs and start all overs again" quests and Mao started getting boreds. But waits! Mao still has excitings new job abilitys to looks forwards to! NOPES! Mao favorites job, BLMs gots WRECKED! But waits! If Mao can't has funs with MSQs or job, Mao can still has funs with new glam changes! NOPES! Is VERY FEW gears whats can be double dyed and even thems pretty lacklusters. But waits! If Mao can't has funs with MSQs or job or glams, Mao can still has funs with changes to housings. NOPES! No changes coming to housings yets. Maybe laters. Maybe nots at all. So can anyones tell Mao WHY Mao should care ATS ALL abouts this horribles expansion?

Well Yoshi-P, you might have a problem now..



(what about the crafting/gathering Mao??)

[Eraden]

Well Yoshi-P, you might have a problem now..



(what about the crafting/gathering Mao??)

Gatherings is all Mao has left to has funs with. Is Gatherings and friends whats only things left keepings Mao here.

[PercibelTheren]

Dawntrail was like Stormblood; "mixed" reception in north america mostly but overall a high quality msq with great story and narrative objectively.

First of all, you may want to look up what the word "objectively" means because you clearly have no idea. A story being good is most definitely not something objective because people will have subjective opinions on it.

Also, the reception hasn't been tepid just on NA. I play on EU and there has been maybe one person in my FC who really enjoyed the MSQ. The rest fall between "meh" and "that was bad". The zone chats, at least on Zodiark, during early access were full of people complaining about how bad the story was and mocking the really ridiculous plot holes.

I can't speak for other regions, but I think it might be time to stop trying to blame NA for everything.