Are we destroying "our own" game?

[Nothv13]

Yeah I also liked the "not being main character" aspect tbf. But thats just a taste thing I guess

I play the game on german so maybe thats also part of why I have another feeling about the story? Especcially Wuk Lamat seems to be hated by many (englisch playing) people.

Also thanks to everyone for the replies, appearently the forum grew BECAUSE of bad feelings not vice versa.. sad tho

There's not being the main character, and then there is being relegated to cheerleader forced to like something. Literally, the few times we can respond with something other than praise to Wuk, another character chimes in saying that the WoL is happy or supportive of Wuk. We weren't the main character through SB and even HW through most of their campaigns, but we were still not simply a cheerleader.

[Blazen20]

Although everything else in this expansion is great, we have to remember FFXIV is known for having a great story for a MMO. So i think all this complaint of the story being sub-optimal is a fair criticism. I do think the VA is unfairly taking most of the heat, when it should be who ever did the direction/hiring and writing should be blamed. But that can be discused for a later time.

[ZXN]

There's not being the main character, and then there is being relegated to cheerleader forced to like something. Literally, the few times we can respond with something other than praise to Wuk, another character chimes in saying that the WoL is happy or supportive of Wuk. We weren't the main character through SB and even HW through most of their campaigns, but we were still not simply a cheerleader.

I was hoping the more "sassy" answers would stay when we had a few of them in the beginning half; like telling Wuk that "ideals are nice in theory" when she dragged us to outside the palace to talk about peace yet again, or saying that "Wuk wasn't ready to rule" when Gulool asked us for an honest answer. I pretty much lost hope once we talked to Bakool and even after the game forces you to answer that Bakool's story doesn't absolve him of his crimes; Wuk comes in and goes "lets be friends", and his crimes have now been absolved instantly and we just agree with it and it's done. Why give us an option to say something that literally is made irrelevant 5 seconds later? Eventually the sass is just kinda...gone, and now if the options involve Wuk, it's just praise and support.

Like you said, in Heavensward and Stormblood we weren't the "Main" character. We were a side/support character, but we still actually DID stuff to help out. Daichi Hiroi though really let his theater side out with Dawntrail: basically turning our WoL into an audience member at a theater play who is there to just watch. I didn't mind being on the backburner for Dawntrail, I was kind of welcoming it given how drained Endwalker's MSQ and Post-Patch MSQ made me from how they were written. The issue is how they went about doing it. I know they had to "wrangle in" our character given the threats we slayed in Endwalker, and how if we actually took charge in Dawntrail everything would be completely effortless and done in no time, but the fact they decided the best way to wrangle us in was to literally have our character do absolutely nothing unless required along with being a forced yes man cheerleader for Wuk Lamat the entire expansion is just terrible design.

[MsMisato]

Yeah I also liked the "not being main character" aspect tbf. But thats just a taste thing I guess

I play the game on german so maybe thats also part of why I have another feeling about the story? Especcially Wuk Lamat seems to be hated by many (englisch playing) people.

Also thanks to everyone for the replies, appearently the forum grew BECAUSE of bad feelings not vice versa.. sad tho

im going to say the Japanese player base isn't too happy about it either for the most part. there have been quite a few negative take aways from their side of about the expansion. I put the game down for a bit i literally got bored of the story. There isn't anything to keep me going on what happens next.

[Stizzle]

I put the game down for a bit i literally got bored of the story. There isn't anything to keep me going on what happens next.

Definitely felt that - Endwalker had an "Avengers:Endgame" vibe and DT coming in like The Eternals really didn't sell me on the threat or characters.

I'm no conspiracy nut but there's a tinfoil hat part of me that can't help but believe the devs intentionally make things braindead & destroy jobs via some strange homologation just to keep us (peasant common folk player base) distracted. Spending our time creating job tiers, arguing, and ranting over XYZ so they can milk our accounts while they make adjustments all year only to break them again in another xpac. Job security 101

Ok tinfoil hat off =)

[Jojoya]

Different players like different things. There will always be someone that dislikes something - and sometimes that someone ends up being you.

Something can be the worst and still be good. It would take each person calling it the worst to clarify what their actual level of satisfaction/enjoyment is.

Personally I would sum it up as a decent expansion with some obvious flaws in MSQ. I don't like the apparent direction they seem to be going with the game's aesthetics/theme but I'm also willing to wait and see if it's temporary or more permanent.

But I am scared to even post this, cuz all the haters.

Don't be afraid to express your opinion.

I've got some dedicated haters here but it hasn't led to problems in the game or elsewhere.

[Evergrey]

I like that we aren't the center of attention and doing all of the work.

I agree on this. It was a nice change of pace imo.

[OvernightSiren]

The short answer is no. The long answer is also no. We're airing grievances about a product that we pay for.

This is not a free thing. The devs are not doing us a favor by developing the game. We're not honor bound to love everything they put out and to be grateful for it all to the point that we absolve them of any critique.

We are purchasing a product from them. We are paying them. If someone is not happy with something that they are A) paying for and B) have paid for faithfully for years, it's understandable to provide feedback when you dislike the current state of said product especially in an MMO where the *previous* state of the product (that you may have enjoyed more) is no longer playable due to patch updates, etc.

You need to allow space for negative opinions just as you would for positive ones because neither one is more valid than the other.

[Zarkovitch]

It's a game issue for MSQ. As for content they wanted trust the playerbase to do normal harder content without tools to backing up the players who didnt have the proper tools back in SHB and EW, thats a dev issues.

[jadan2000]

I don't know.. maybe it's a vocal minority. I liked it a lot!