I played the Throne & Liberty beta last week and..

[IDontPetLalas]

This thread was not meant to be serious, though T&L is pretty fun! Well for the first few months anyway. There is a reason I played XIV for nearly 11 years and will continue checking out future expansions.

As far as NCSoft goes, old Aion was pretty cool back in the day. Even on the healing front, both Cleric and Chanter (and later Bard) had some very nice build variety - both offensive and supportive.

From a pure gameplay perspective though, TERA was sick. Nothing comes close, it is that what Bluehole did to that game only to shut it down last year or so.

Cleric and chanter are light years ahead of any healer in this game, aside from the animations, I will grant FFXIV has superior animations for healers. Aside from that- Aion, with only 2 options, beats a game with 4 options.

While bard was technically a third option , and did have an extremely important role in at least one instance that I can recall, I would say that at least 90% of players remained in DPS spec- but it was an extremely well designed class and fun in either spec.

[Nebelheim]

I would rather they take ideas from ff11 instead of a Korean grindfest mmo thats pay to win when it comes to class design. I would prefer ff11 class design over the throne liberty game.

[Nothv13]

This thread was not meant to be serious, though T&L is pretty fun! Well for the first few months anyway. There is a reason I played XIV for nearly 11 years and will continue checking out future expansions.

As far as NCSoft goes, old Aion was pretty cool back in the day. Even on the healing front, both Cleric and Chanter (and later Bard) had some very nice build variety - both offensive and supportive.

From a pure gameplay perspective though, TERA was sick. Nothing comes close, it is that what Bluehole did to that game only to shut it down last year or so.

TERA shut down directly because of NCsoft winning their lawsuit against Bluehole. While bluehole mismanaged it, it would still likely be up and going if NCsoft didn't win.

[Skyclaw726]

I have literally never heard anyone praise XIV's tanks and DPS design over WoW's.

Having played WoW since Wrath and FFXIV since the last closed beta for ARR tanking is way better in this game than in WoW healing as well is much better, don't need to download an add just to heal a normal dungeon.

DPS on the other hand is a toss up, sometimes I feel WoW does it better then sometimes I feel FFXIV is better.

[Jojoya]

Cleric and chanter are light years ahead of any healer in this game, aside from the animations, I will grant FFXIV has superior animations for healers. Aside from that- Aion, with only 2 options, beats a game with 4 options.

Sometimes simpler is better. There's always going to be some trade-off.

Is the combat game play really better off now with 4 tanks, 4 healers and 13 DPS compared to when it was just 2 tanks, 2 healers and 5 DPS? Was the demand for more job choices worth it?

Having played WoW since Wrath and FFXIV since the last closed beta for ARR tanking is way better in this game than in WoW healing as well is much better, don't need to download an add just to heal a normal dungeon.

DPS on the other hand is a toss up, sometimes I feel WoW does it better then sometimes I feel FFXIV is better.

I liked the general concept of the RIFT class system though I think they made it too complex in the long run.

Have a base class to fill a role then let the player customize it as they like. You give up any pretense of balance among the customization options but it can make each role clearly defined compared to the muddled definitions we now see in FFXIV roles.

[DBriggs304]

It's the new shiny and won't last a year.

[Ketojan]

This thread was not meant to be serious, though T&L is pretty fun! Well for the first few months anyway. There is a reason I played XIV for nearly 11 years and will continue checking out future expansions.

As far as NCSoft goes, old Aion was pretty cool back in the day. Even on the healing front, both Cleric and Chanter (and later Bard) had some very nice build variety - both offensive and supportive.

From a pure gameplay perspective though, TERA was sick. Nothing comes close, it is that what Bluehole did to that game only to shut it down last year or so.

Aion was my first mmo healing experience, it spoiled me! I had so much fun healing there, changing stigmas for dps or full healer, I just felt more…impactful there as a cleric. I would check out throne and liberty but I don’t want to put effort into it since they ruined Aion, and other things of course. Man why do companies have to be to so greedy…

[Rehayem]

Aion was my first mmo healing experience, it spoiled me! I had so much fun healing there, changing stigmas for dps or full healer, I just felt more…impactful there as a cleric. I would check out throne and liberty but I don’t want to put effort into it since they ruined Aion, and other things of course. Man why do companies have to be to so greedy…

Aion had the best healing classes by far, and it definitely spoiled me as well.

TERA shut down directly because of NCsoft winning their lawsuit against Bluehole. While bluehole mismanaged it, it would still likely be up and going if NCsoft didn't win.

Pretty sure TERA died due to how EnMasse mismanaged the whole DPS meters situation, where they would outright ban any person creating it and anybody talking about it, in-game, forums or on social media. Then they collapsed on themselves, sold it to Gameforge but it wasn't enough to maintain the game since all players moved on.

[Swordsman]

.. despite not even having a distinct trinity system in place, healing in that game is engaging, unpredictable and fun.

Take notes CBU3, take notes.

It was surprisingly fun for a F2P MMO and I'll probably visit it again in the future when it's actually released, but I'm not a big fan of micro transactions. I'd rather pay a flat fee instead to have access to most of the game, but if it continues to be as fun as it is I'd be willing to overlook the MTX aspect.

[Nothv13]

Pretty sure TERA died due to how EnMasse mismanaged the whole DPS meters situation, where they would outright ban any person creating it and anybody talking about it, in-game, forums or on social media. Then they collapsed on themselves, sold it to Gameforge but it wasn't enough to maintain the game since all players moved on.

EnMasse was only for NA and they were replaced by Gameforge, who despite reputation, was running TERA much better than EnMasse did and it continued. Gameforge wanted to continue hosting it but had to respect Bluehole decision to shut it down. While Bluehole never stated a reason, it is suspected that the Lawsuit with NCsoft and failure of other projects (other than PUBG) had basically left them unable to afford to continue support.