How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

[Alice_Rivers]

If one chooses to ignore the clear change of sentence structure, tense, the move from direct address to indirect then one could (un)reasonably draw the conclusion that one person wrote the whole post. I thought perhaps as a tank you might prefer a tank's advice over that of a healer, that and I felt my friend could use the entertainment.

[Ramiee]

Wtf is even happening anymore?
We went from Anjou fighting ghosts
To Alice fighting ghosts
Now to Anjou and Alice both fighting each other

[Alice_Rivers]

This is a fight? I thought I was just playing at this point. He doesn't have anything worth fighting over, he's not even arguing - just blindly attacking.

[AnjouMaaka]

Wtf is even happening anymore?
We went from Anjou fighting ghosts
To Alice fighting ghosts
Now to Anjou and Alice both fighting each other

A refocus is definitely needed here. Just ignore Alice, clearly part of the loud minority that thinks dark knight is able to tank anything that isn't a baby mode dungeon boss.

We lost a lot of burst without gaining anything in return.
Dark Knight is now taxed for being a high damage tank without actually being a high damage tank.
If they are going to keep our damage taken away, then the high damage tax needs to be removed by adding some self sustain.
Living Dead needs to be fixed further to where it cannot be intentionally griefed anymore if they aren't going to give us self sustain.
Walking Dead being 7.5 times the heal potency of Abyssal Drain is just another reason why nobody uses Abyssal Drain.
Square Enix can, and should, do something. The loud minority must not be given their instant gratification a 3rd expansion in a row.

[Zeastria]

1. Aggo a lot of mobs, use sprint ( gain as much distance from healer as possible).
2. LOS the healer asap! ( have wall/objects between you and healer)
Remeber NO cds!, you only have a few secs to to get your hp to 0%, before the healer catch up to you.

Bonus tip: remove some of your armor, to take even more dmg.

[Artina-EU-PH]

This isn't an issue of me understanding the healer mentality. The behavior of healers shows that it is intentional griefing. Ignoring the buffs in the party list is literally just inexcusable ignorance. If it isn't griefing, then it's just plain ignorance, which what's the difference? You're still griefing at that point. As the police would tell you when pulled over, ignorance is not an excuse. And I'm 100% positive it puts Living Dead at the far left of the buff list when activated. The only way you don't see it as a healer, is if you are just completely ignoring the party list, or you have party buffs turned off, both of which are signs that you don't know a core component of doing your job.

First, the difference between griefing and ignorance, is that griefing includes intent. And that's a BIG difference. Your complains show that you know little about this game. There is a bunch of people who don't completely understand how their kit works, let alone knowing YOURS. Living Dead is still the worst invuln and arguably a knowledge check for your healer, and Dark Knight is still the worst tank for dungeons. It is the only tank where you depend a lot on your healer. You've low self sustain, and that is your real issue, the desing of your class. No healer is griefing you, and if you really believe it, you've a victim complex. You're just having healers that are not experienced and are constantly misjudging the situation. And that is OKAY because this game is meant to be played by EVERYONE in normal content, including those you call "ignorants". The game is both designed and thought that way. And I'm a big defender of the increase on difficulty, but that doesn't change that the people that are not skilled nor interested in be skilled deserve to be respected and that they deserve to play all normal content without being insulted.
As a healer player, and former main, for 9 years, I can tell you there's a significant difference between healing a Dark Knight, and any other tank. And I can do just fine because I know that and I can adapt to that, but someone who doesn't know, will not be able to judge the situation as well and might fail like in the cases you say. SEEING the buff doesn't mean UNDERSTANDING what that buff is, nor EXPECTING it to be used in that moment. And there's a lot of players who don't have that much knowledge, this game has 21 classes, it's normal.

Your real issue is your class and it's design, and you're blaming it on others and both insulting them and accusing them of purposedly attacking you.
Ask for changes to your class and stop expecting everyone to be as invested as you in knowing everyting. And if it annoyes you, change class temporally.

[AnjouMaaka]

First, the difference between griefing and ignorance, is that griefing includes intent. And that's a BIG difference. Your complains show that you know little about this game. There is a bunch of people who don't completely understand how their kit works, let alone knowing YOURS. Living Dead is still the worst invuln and arguably a knowledge check for your healer, and Dark Knight is still the worst tank for dungeons. It is the only tank where you depend a lot on your healer. You've low self sustain, and that is your real issue, the desing of your class. No healer is griefing you, and if you really believe it, you've a victim complex. You're just having healers that are not experienced and are constantly misjudging the situation. And that is OKAY because this game is meant to be played by EVERYONE in normal content, including those you call "ignorants". The game is both designed and thought that way. And I'm a big defender of the increase on difficulty, but that doesn't change that the people that are not skilled nor interested in be skilled deserve to be respected and that they deserve to play all normal content without being insulted.
As a healer player, and former main, for 9 years, I can tell you there's a significant difference between healing a Dark Knight, and any other tank. And I can do just fine because I know that and I can adapt to that, but someone who doesn't know, will not be able to judge the situation as well and might fail like in the cases you say. SEEING the buff doesn't mean UNDERSTANDING what that buff is, nor EXPECTING it to be used in that moment. And there's a lot of players who don't have that much knowledge, this game has 21 classes, it's normal.

Your real issue is your class and it's design, and you're blaming it on others and both insulting them and accusing them of purposedly attacking you.
Ask for changes to your class and stop expecting everyone to be as invested as you in knowing everyting. And if it annoyes you, change class temporally.

You can take that paragraph and shove it back down your throat where it belongs, because I can tell by the first line that you clearly had a major reading comprehension failure, and willingly ignored the entire first 4 pages of the thread before posting that.

[Naychan]

The behavior of healers shows that it is intentional griefing. Ignoring the buffs in the party list is literally just inexcusable ignorance. If it isn't griefing, then it's just plain ignorance, which what's the difference? You're still griefing at that point. As the police would tell you when pulled over, ignorance is not an excuse. And I'm 100% positive it puts Living Dead at the far left of the buff list when activated. The only way you don't see it as a healer, is if you are just completely ignoring the party list, or you have party buffs turned off, both of which are signs that you don't know a core component of doing your job.

You're the tank call out what you are doing or don't and deal with it. Or just run w/o a healer.

[AnjouMaaka]

Amazes me how many come here and instead of adding to my feedback about Living Dead, they choose to make stupid comments like "just play warrior" or seek personal conflict by attacking my character as if they know me better than they know myself. And I'm the one being toxic?

I shouldn't have to go into this, but since everyone still thinks they know me better than I know myself, here we go, again.

I have savage clears as dark knight, warrior, ninja, white mage, scholar, machinist and summoner. My EX clears include even more of the jobs. I have more than enough knowledge and experience with the game. It's not some victim mentality. I'm simply sick of seeing the invuln griefed. An invuln should be an invuln, not something that relies on the healer knowing what's going on. If I'm having to pop the invuln on a dungeon pull, something is going terribly wrong somewhere, and since I know what I'm doing with the job, it's not on my shoulders. It might have been when I was new to the game, but I've long since graduated from MSQ content.

I am a mentor that actively helps when asked and if need be, I show how it's done. The only people I see putting me in a situation where I feel like the invuln is needed in the first place, are other mentors, or players that are just not sprouts. When I get a sprout healer, I actually rejoice because I know I'm going to be overhealed so much that I don't even need my mitigation, much less the invuln. Sadly, I'm hardly asked, and that's fine. If they want to figure it out on their own, I'm not going to stop them.

Unfortunately, the manner in which I see Living Dead get griefed is definitely a sign that it is intentional. If dark knight isn't getting healed enough, they are very likely to pop the invuln. They just aren't going to sit there and do nothing while the healer continues to not baby the one tank that actually needs to be healed constantly. So when you actively put us in that situation, you are choosing to have this frustration eventually brought up, because it's preventable. We should not have to use Living Dead in the first place. I get good healers that probably wouldn't grief it, but they don't put me in a position where I need to use it in the first place.

Again, this is not victim mentality. It's active frustration due to how often this occurs and voicing my feedback, although it is negative, is not the same as having a victim mentality. If that was my goal, I would have said something along the lines of "I can't believe Square Enix still allows this to happen in their game." or "All of these healers should be banned for intentional griefing." Did I ask for them to be banned? No. I am asking for our invuln activation to not rely on other players knowing how it works. It's that simple. The design of Living Dead is just completely flawed and needs to be turned into a normal invuln.

[AnjouMaaka]

Also, every single player that's come in here and made comments as if they know me better than I know myself appears to be a healer main. Imagine that, the loud minority comes out to defend and justify their toxic behavior, or try to redirect the accountability, all because they've finally been called out on some of their BS.

Xenos was right about you loud minority types. You live in a fantasy land because you've had the devs wrapped around your finger for a long time, and the devs are finally so bored themselves that they said enough is enough and increased the normal content difficulty by like 10%. News flash, the world doesn't revolve around you.