Please add positionals back to Twin Snakes/True Strike on Monk! Now is the best time!

[velswen]

With Dawntrail, Monk is now easier and more accessible than it ever has been. No timers to maintain, no DoTs to watch. The rotation is rigid regardless of downtime.

Given that positionals were initially removed from Monk with the introduction of Masterful Blitz in Endwalker to prevent the job from being overly complex, this seems like the perfect time to reintroduce SOME of its old positionals.

Given how much we use Perfect Balance and opo-opo attacks, adding positionals back to Bootshine/Dragon Kick might be a bit much for some people (though I would personally love for those skills to have their positionals back.) But adding them back to Twin Snakes and True Strike seems like the perfect middle ground for people who miss Monk's old job identity, without being too punishing for players who aren't great at hitting positionals.

Of course, I would be happy with any amount of positionals returning to Monk. But it really feels like a piece of Monk was lost when it was reduced to only having 2 positionals in its entire kit. Part of the draw of Monk was the dance you did around the boss. That was super satisfying, and it made sense for there to be a job that engaged with positionals more than the others.

Please add some positionals back to Monk!

[Unyqua]

What would be the benefit of adding more positionals again ?
As it seems they wanted to tone it down with viper.

[Ramiee]

What would be the benefit of adding more positionals again ?
As it seems they wanted to tone it down with viper.

Just more engagement in the core rotation for monk. Monk doesn't have anything to maintain anymore so having positionals is a way of soft mechanic this way and if people want to do the best possible damage extra optimisation.

[Unyqua]

So you are doing the best possible damage right now and you want to add another mechanic to get the same result.
The issue is also that you have like a much faster gcd this also means you have less time to position.
Its exactly the reason they removed it from Dragoon. What i mean are the back to back changes of positionals and
Dragon is much slower in the GCD department and they still got rid of it.

I think a expert monk player would probably have no issue with it or would mot mind that much,
but in the end its just an added hurdle just for the sake of more complexity.

[Shurrikhan]

I think a expert monk player would probably have no issue with it or would mot mind that much, but in the end its just an added hurdle just for the sake of more complexity.

All gameplay is complexity and/or visual flair between starting and ending an encounter.

Mechanically speaking, complexity IS gameplay and gameplay IS complexity.

If you think this added bit of cognitive load would devalue others for a net loss in how the given complexity is leveraged, then that could be reason to call it convoluted.

However, (well-leveraged) complexity itself is all we can ever aim to have, and we have good reason to believe that adding positionals would make denser, more engaging use of our forms and surrounding mechanics for greater engagement/better leverage from what complexity already exists.

[velswen]

So you are doing the best possible damage right now and you want to add another mechanic to get the same result.
The issue is also that you have like a much faster gcd this also means you have less time to position.
Its exactly the reason they removed it from Dragoon. What i mean are the back to back changes of positionals and
Dragon is much slower in the GCD department and they still got rid of it.

I think a expert monk player would probably have no issue with it or would mot mind that much,
but in the end its just an added hurdle just for the sake of more complexity.

It's a hurdle for the sake of more fun. It is fun to think about positionals.

[Unyqua]

It's a hurdle for the sake of more fun. It is fun to think about positionals.

yes for some and for some its not.
I think its a hurdle that will also be a problem with new encounter mechanics.
There is a reason they added this "no positionals required mode" to the AC4 encounter, because some people would have complained that they cant get behind the boss.
They rather should add more new interesting stuff to jobs than trying to resurect some 2014 mechanic.
For me having like just a bonus of 30-40 potency for standing in the right position is just really unimaginative and boring. especially when you dont even have feedback if you did hit it or not.

[hunter2]

More complexity yes, and that's not a bad thing. With DRG's double positional being removed, and soon even VPR getting some simplification there's room for a melee with high positional requirements, and some of us like that kind of gameplay. Dawntrail Monk has a fun, simple rotation with space for a little more to think about during the filler phases. Positionals are already a matter of optimisation and the devs do not expect you to hit them 100% of them time - you can tell because they are a small potency bonus and they don't break your combo. A simple 20-40 potency bonus positional on Twin Snakes & True Strike would be great fun.

[Unyqua]

Well i cant really validate if i am hitting a positional or not because there is no indicator that i did.
in the past not hitting one would ruin your combo, but now there is just no feedback to it.
so in the end i could just petend they are there and call it a day.

[hunter2]

Yes, currently the only way to tell is a slight difference to the sound effect. There should be some flytext or something for feedback.