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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    "They are the memory aether" is a fancy way of saying they're just fascimilies created from memories by other people's souls being used as the fuel. The game clearly demonstrates that there's a human with an original soul and that is distinct from an Endless.

    Also Sphene does not mourn Namikka. I'm not sure where you got that from. She mourns Otis though. Namikka is calmly explained to be euthanized.

    Humans also can't shape-shift, can't live forever, and have physical forms. Your suggestion regarding uploading consciousness doesn't really make sense because consciousness is more than simply the parts of your brain pertaining to memory. If someone fed my memories to a Meso Terminal and created a new instance of me that can shape shift and be immortal, I'd also hope it was deleted unless I wilfully participated.

    Otis: This incarnation of me...what was he like?
    Not sure what this has to do with anything. Emet-Selch can shape-shift, live forever and exist without physical form(but he uses clone body in Source and possess random one on the First since naked soul has weaknesses) and he is certainly alive.
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Not sure what this has to do with anything. Emet-Selch can shape-shift, live forever and exist without physical form(but he uses clone body in Source and possess random one on the First since naked soul has weaknesses) and he is certainly alive.
    I'm not sure what your point is. That a fantasy race exists for humanity origin story in XIV so the Endless are alive?

    Puppies are also alive in XIV. Also to be clear, Ancients are not real and not comparative to humans outside storytelling purposes. They're humanoid.

    My statement you quoted was more of a commentary on the theoritocal that I'd be OK with what happens to Endless happening to me. I wouldn't be OK with it because it results in something not me and not human that seems like me.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 07-24-2024 at 06:41 PM.

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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    I'm not sure what your point is. That a fantasy race exists for humanity origin story in XIV so the Endless are alive?

    Puppies are also alive in XIV. Also to be clear, Ancients are not real and not comparative to humans outside storytelling purposes. They're humanoid.

    My statement you quoted was more of a commentary on the theoritocal that I'd be OK with what happens to Endless happening to me. I wouldn't be OK with it because it results in something not me and not human that seems like me.
    Their point is that what you pushed forward as a qualitative measure of the nature of the Endless is inconsistent and insufficient- hence, he applied it to a character in the same universe that we all consider to be alive to show the discrepancy.

    This thread is rife with excellent discussion. It really bothers me how the game just... glosses over all of it. No nuance, no discussion, even when our party has so many of the greatest minds in the realm in it.
    So much missed potential...
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