Quote Originally Posted by Nitelancer View Post
Even if we came to conclusion that they were alive, their existence posed an imminent threat to our existence. Their survival depended on our extinction. Faced with such a threat, whether they were alive or not becomes irrelevant, and the right thing to do was to shut them down because it ensures our survival, assuming there was no other solution.
I don't think there is many people saying that we should have let the Endless drain the entire universe of life. I really wish people would stop bringing up this point in an attempt to crush any discussion about how Living Memory was written.

What people are saying is that the plotline is messy, poorly explained, contradictory, and easily lends itself to feel more like murder and less like heart-wrenching survival because the characters didn't even try. We are told immediately that the Endless are not worthy of existence or consideration and we're not allowed to question that. Yet, as VoidsentStatus is pointing out with that dialogue, even the characters seem confused on the living/dead status of the Endless so the story can't even get it's own ducks in a row.

If a player believes they are alive or listens to NPCs that treat them as alive, then treating the Endless so flippantly feels very bad.
There is a night and day difference between turning off the Endless with no thought and then playing around in elephant costumes for two hours and turning off the Endless after failing to find a solution to coexistence. Both of these end the same, but the reception and emotional impact would have been much different.

Quote Originally Posted by CuteBucket View Post
WE DON'T KNOW and we can't know with the information we have because the story and setting is not very clear about its own internal logic! Wow! What an unsatisfying answer!
I'm pretty sure some Omicrons are explicitly stated to not have souls. Both Omega and Alpha didn't start with souls. Alpha gained a soul, but it's unclear if Omega gained one. I think he did. That means some Omicron are more alive than others if they haven't gone through self-actualization apparently.

Regardless of if the Omicron have souls or not, its funny that by the definition of life not even having a soul makes you fully alive in FFXIV. A sliding scale of aliveness is a wild concept and I wish they would have actually explored that instead of what they did.