Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[AddictedToWitches]

If you want my honest opinion I think this mentality is just dumb.
It's been the very vocal minority of hardcore players who have driven a lot of changes to many aspects of this game. They always scream the loudest, are somehow always hurt the most.
"The game needs to be harder!" they scream as they cannot even raid without 10 different add-ons and vet people based on parsing logs in a third party program
"We need more ultimates!" they shout when only 1% of the playerbase does them and most of these people just pay real money for clears so they can flaunt their glow vomit weapons
"There is no content!" they froth at the mouth after finishing all of the game's PvE content within 3 days of the patch dropping because they played 16 hours a day.
"Why are the devs wasting time on meaningless content like island sanctuary?" when casual players make up the grand majority of the playerbase.

Anyway I have always felt that extreme trials have always struck the right balance between difficulty and fun. This game's community is legitimately terrible. It is a cesspit of toxicity and people unable to own up to their own mistakes. The devs says third party tools are a bannable offense but then they wink wink nudge nudge and say "uhhh just don't tell anybody you use them." Damage parsers are supposed to be banned so other players don't discriminate and yet this still happens. Because as long as you don't strictly mention you are parsing or doing parse runs the devs could care less.

[Isala]

It's been the very vocal minority of hardcore players who have driven a lot of changes to many aspects of this game. They always scream the loudest, are somehow always hurt the most.

If hardcore players actually drove the changes, then there is no way that the Job Design choice of catering to absolute bottom feeders would exist. Last I checked, a "hardcore" player can handle something as stupidly simple as positionals, and yet SE has to address the people complaining about them being "too hard" on Viper. Get out of here with that "hardcores are ruining the game" crap. It isn't, and hasn't ever been true.

[AddictedToWitches]

If hardcore players actually drove the changes, then there is no way that the Job Design choice of catering to absolute bottom feeders would exist. Last I checked, a "hardcore" player can handle something as stupidly simple as positionals, and yet SE has to address the people complaining about them being "too hard" on Viper. Get out of here with that "hardcores are ruining the game" crap. It isn't, and hasn't ever been true.

I think positionals are cringe tbh and they should go the way of TP and enmity generation for DPS
Also last I checked hardcore players are the reason job design is based around the 2 minute window, is the reason many jobs get reworked, is the reason ultimates exist in the first place (content only 1% of the playerbase will even properly experience)
Yes, hardcore players are ruining the game.
I was there when hardcore players ruined everquest back in the day, I was there when hardcore raiders led to the downfall of raid design in WoW.
There is no satisfying the hardcore crowd. They will poopsock all the content and complain the game is too easy, and will complain when aspects of the game are not dedicated strictly to them.
I have hopes for Savage to be enjoyable in DT, but I had those same hopes in ShB. . . and EW. . .
The difficult content is not fun anymore outside of extreme trials, and you have the hardcore crowd to thank for that.
At the very least, the devs have still been designing content to be cleared without the need for third party tools, unlike certain other MMOs like WoW.

[Dogempire]

I think positionals are cringe tbh and they should go the way of TP and enmity generation for DPS
Also last I checked hardcore players are the reason job design is based around the 2 minute window, is the reason many jobs get reworked, is the reason ultimates exist in the first place (content only 1% of the playerbase will even properly experience)
Yes, hardcore players are ruining the game.
I was there when hardcore players ruined everquest back in the day, I was there when hardcore raiders led to the downfall of raid design in WoW.
There is no satisfying the hardcore crowd. They will poopsock all the content and complain the game is too easy, and will complain when aspects of the game are not dedicated strictly to them.
I have hopes for Savage to be enjoyable in DT, but I had those same hopes in ShB. . . and EW. . .
The difficult content is not fun anymore outside of extreme trials, and you have the hardcore crowd to thank for that.
At the very least, the devs have still been designing content to be cleared without the need for third party tools, unlike certain other MMOs like WoW.

While I don't normally advocate for the dumbing down of jobs, I do kind of agree that positionals are problematic, especially with the fact that bosses nowadays tend to teleport to the edge of the arena with their back to the wall where you can't hit your positionals.

Don't get me wrong, I like positionals, I just think that current boss design makes them a massive pain because the boss just won't stand still and feels the urge to teleport around and spin and shove its rear hitbox into the instakill wall so you're forced to use the True North that you only get 1 charge of every (50?) seconds, or it teleports to the edge of the arena and back to the middle then has to turn yet again to smack the tank who may or may not turn the boss again depending on where the party is positioned.

Having only a couple and not punishing you too much for missing them is kind of a blessing in that regard

[Lak14]

I think positionals are cringe tbh and they should go the way of TP and enmity generation for DPS
Also last I checked hardcore players are the reason job design is based around the 2 minute window, is the reason many jobs get reworked, is the reason ultimates exist in the first place (content only 1% of the playerbase will even properly experience)
Yes, hardcore players are ruining the game.
I was there when hardcore players ruined everquest back in the day, I was there when hardcore raiders led to the downfall of raid design in WoW.
There is no satisfying the hardcore crowd. They will poopsock all the content and complain the game is too easy, and will complain when aspects of the game are not dedicated strictly to them.
I have hopes for Savage to be enjoyable in DT, but I had those same hopes in ShB. . . and EW. . .
The difficult content is not fun anymore outside of extreme trials, and you have the hardcore crowd to thank for that.
At the very least, the devs have still been designing content to be cleared without the need for third party tools, unlike certain other MMOs like WoW.

more like no one can carry my ass in savage.

[AddictedToWitches]

more like no one can carry my ass in savage.

non-argument
hardcore players now are truly battered housewives defending frustrating and unfun encounters just for the prestige of having cleared them.
When 99% of the people who flaunt it paid for clears to begin with, AKA most Legend players

[Dogempire]

non-argument
hardcore players now are truly battered housewives defending frustrating and unfun encounters just for the prestige of having cleared them.
When 99% of the people who flaunt it paid for clears to begin with, AKA most Legend players

Well they did post a video of them clearing TOP in another thread, so they're probably not a wallet legend. More likely the other type that thinks that just because they've cleared the hardest content in the game that their opinion is automatically worth more than other people's and that they're so much better than everyone else because of their clear.

Hell, looking at what you wrote and what they wrote, it's hard to see their response as anything other than simply bragging in an effort to look cool, they didn't address any of your points and just went "I'm too cool, nobody can carry me, please clap for me guys"

[Glaziola-Sama]

Sadly, it is almost impossible to do anything about these players. We can only hope that Sqare Enix will not respond to such posts about the difficulty of Dungeon.

Unfortunately, this forum is also full of trolls.

At least... As long as I can still play and enjoy the game with my friends, I'm happy

[TBerry]

Well they did post a video of them clearing TOP in another thread, so they're probably not a wallet legend. More likely the other type that thinks that just because they've cleared the hardest content in the game that their opinion is automatically worth more than other people's and that they're so much better than everyone else because of their clear.

Hell, looking at what you wrote and what they wrote, it's hard to see their response as anything other than simply bragging in an effort to look cool, they didn't address any of your points and just went "I'm too cool, nobody can carry me, please clap for me guys"

Unless the "wallet legends" somehow get hacked to unlock the clear, I'm fairly certain that it's other people who clear for them.

[Isala]

Well they did post a video of them clearing TOP in another thread, so they're probably not a wallet legend. More likely the other type that thinks that just because they've cleared the hardest content in the game that their opinion is automatically worth more than other people's and that they're so much better than everyone else because of their clear.

Hell, looking at what you wrote and what they wrote, it's hard to see their response as anything other than simply bragging in an effort to look cool, they didn't address any of your points and just went "I'm too cool, nobody can carry me, please clap for me guys"

Talks crap about people mentioning difficulty, posts a TOP video of them playing Warrior. It's no wonder they're offended by people talking about difficulty. As a WAR main, they're used to playing the game on Very Easy mode.