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    How games can have less scripted encounters

    I have been playing games since I know games exist
    I would like to share How FFXIV can have less scripted fights:

    1- add variants that can be manipulated
    2- encounters should have decision making based on the current situation
    3- rage mechanic is always scripted but with a twist.. it can manipulate variants like boss attack speed been increase, boss move in unpredicted way.. boss can change his mode between being defensive or offensive based on situation.
    4- taking advantage of some jobs skills to trigger more unpredictable boss behavior.

    These things are not a new thing.. it is a lack part that I feel from shadowbringers that could come back in a modern more fun more engaging way
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    Last edited by Tunda; 07-22-2024 at 04:47 PM.

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    The most obvious reason why FF14's fights feels stiff compared to WoW's is that the boss always returns to the middle of the room to stand there and cast. You don't get WoW esque fights where the tank ia dragging the boss around the room as the boss hurls lava and the room slowly fills up with lava until there is little space to stand.
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    Doesn't matter how long you've been playing games it doesn't make you an authority on anything related to game design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    Doesn't matter how long you've been playing games it doesn't make you an authority on anything related to game design.
    It doesn't take rocket science to know that doing the exact same thing with little to no variance is going to get boring after a while.

    I also consider it one of the biggest flaws with XIV's design in general and I inherently find random mass AoE spam mechanics like the second Archadion boss' "big" mechanic more entertaining then the "stand here to not die" puzzle mechanics harder content is a fan of.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 07-22-2024 at 04:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It doesn't take rocket science to know that doing the exact same thing with little to no variance is going to get boring after a while.

    I also consider it one of the biggest flaws with XIV's design in general.
    Precisely the reason why we'd be terrible judges on how to 'fix' this issue. Seeing it on some surface-level "we want more variety in fights" like no duh. Thanks for the input. I'll definitely subscribe to your news letter where next week we learn that if you add variance to a fight, it won't be so scripted.
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    People have given feedback several times and it falls on deaf ears. Keep dreaming I have been for 10yrs now and it's gotten worse. Accept it or move on, it's not hard to path an AI to use a random set of skills at random times but they will never do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal View Post
    The most obvious reason why FF14's fights feels stiff compared to WoW's is that the boss always returns to the middle of the room to stand there and cast. You don't get WoW esque fights where the tank ia dragging the boss around the room as the boss hurls lava and the room slowly fills up with lava until there is little space to stand.
    Yeah i'd say this too. wow's fights are just as scripted as ff14's otherwise
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    One thing they could do to reduce the fights being as scripted as they are is randomizing the order of attacks somewhat. The boss usually does all their attacks in a completely set pattern, usually only thing randomized is if an attack has variations it will basically flip a coin on which to do.

    One of the best examples I can currently give on normal difficulty content is Thaleia's last boss... The fight will always do the same attacks, in the same exact order every time you go through the fight. Once it's finished one loop of attacks, the attack order does get somewhat randomized, with certain attacks still paired together into a single mechanic but you actually have to react to the boss as it's not just doing everything in a predetermined order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    These things are not a new thing.. it is a lack part that I feel from shadowbringers that could come back in a modern more fun more engaging way
    When were *any* of these things in Shadowbringers?
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    The situation is getting outta control when they revamped all the old content to promote Trust system--by literally removing *all* mechanics that their scripted bots can't handle. Now every instance is pull stuff——boss(stack spread stack)——pull more stuff, repeat.
    Yeah the Trust mode is helpful but do they really need to destroy the already limited "fun" plays they designed?
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