Warrior Rework to Balance the job

[CKNovel]

Do you live under a rock? M4S was cleared without a healer in week 2 and the thread has existed on it since roughly the same time lmao

Watch what was going on in the healerless clear.
It's very tight healing&mitigation optimization, the group couldn't survive without the use of Clemency or cover.

This clear was not possible thanks to tank sustain only:
-PLD Clemency and abuse of Cover
-Heavy heal comp (MNK, DNC, RPR, SMN)
-Sacrifice of DPS to align heals from burst (See PLD delaying Blade combo to benefit the heal from auto attacks)

It's a fantastic work from the group but if you could see beyond the thumbnail that would help everyone.
If anything, Clemency being a healer GCD is the elephant in the room, but that's also PLD identity to use white magic.

[Supersnow845]

Watch what was going on in the healerless clear.
It's very tight healing&mitigation optimization, the group couldn't survive without the use of Clemency or cover.

This clear was not possible thanks to tank sustain only:
-PLD Clemency and abuse of Cover
-Heavy heal comp (MNK, DNC, RPR, SMN)
-Sacrifice of DPS to align heals from burst (See PLD delaying Blade combo to benefit the heal from auto attacks)

It's a fantastic work from the group but if you could see beyond the thumbnail that would help everyone.
If anything, Clemency being a healer GCD is the elephant in the room, but that's also PLD identity to use white magic.

-They used exactly ZERO clemencies during uptime
-90% of the healing game from the tanks, only 10% from the dps
-cover was only used so they could say they did it without tank LB3
-they failed 4 mechanics and had 2 deaths
-this is still a competitive speed kill in spite of above because of how much extra damage tanks do

[CKNovel]

-They used exactly ZERO clemencies during uptime
-90% of the healing game from the tanks, only 10% from the dps
-cover was only used so they could say they did it without tank LB3
-they failed 4 mechanics and had 2 deaths
-this is still a competitive speed kill in spite of above because of how much extra damage tanks do

They did use Clemency during downtime, there's a gap between 0 Clemency during the whole fight and 0 Clemency during uptime.
They also used cover to tank the party stack with only 2 players.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, the DPS did 28% of the healing.
The death was a DNC death 30 seconds before the kill and snowballed into a second death. Also, that death was recoved by SMN.

It's a work from the whole party, not the tanks only.
Can we stop making up informations now?

[Somnolence]

Given this is yet another complaint topic where minority is demanding sweeping changes,

please show any evidence of JP mirroring your complaints?

If not, you can put the matter to rest, since SE does not listen to you, only western content creators and they are only - rightfully - unhappy with DRK.

[Zairava]

Do you live under a rock? Does the PF generally clear without a healer? Does the average party in PF clear without a healer? No? Most still need a standard comp as a general thing? Try harder next time.

Congratulations, you just proved supersnow's point that you would continue to deflect. Discussing literally anything with you is actually impossible

[MikoRemi]

Congratulations, you just proved supersnow's point that you would continue to deflect. Discussing literally anything with you is actually impossible

I literally answered the question. You refuse to accept reality. Not my problem if you're too deluded to think that nerfing things will change how unfun healing is. Welcome to the forums in a nutshell.

Up to you when you wanna accept the direction of the game or not. I would've thought after people saw Damnation in general and how Bloodwhetting didn't change at all that maybe we wouldn't have this discussion anymore. But if you wanna keep yapping on despite months before DT amounting to what we have now, you do you bud. Deflect freely, you guys are great at it! I'll go enjoy myself and help healers with a smooth time in game~.

[Supersnow845]

I literally answered the question. You refuse to accept reality. Not my problem if you're too deluded to think that nerfing things will change how unfun healing is. Welcome to the forums in a nutshell.

Up to you when you wanna accept the direction of the game or not. I would've thought after people saw Damnation in general and how Bloodwhetting didn't change at all that maybe we wouldn't have this discussion anymore. But if you wanna keep yapping on despite months before DT amounting to what we have now, you do you bud. Deflect freely, you guys are great at it! I'll go enjoy myself and help healers with a smooth time in game~.

Okay here is a question for you based on your weird perception of the balance

If they added a feature where if you zoned in as a WAR I could unilaterally elect to turn off your healing without turning off your mitigation because I’m confident in my healing and don’t need your assistance would you be happy with that feature?

[Zairava]

Furthermore, if that trend continues and it gets to the point this is possible week 1, You've reached the point that running healerless is actually meta since tanks do more dps than healers. But do continue on how this isn't a growing problem

[Zairava]

I literally answered the question. You refuse to accept reality. Not my problem if you're too deluded to think that nerfing things will change how unfun healing is. Welcome to the forums in a nutshell.

Up to you when you wanna accept the direction of the game or not. I would've thought after people saw Damnation in general and how Bloodwhetting didn't change at all that maybe we wouldn't have this discussion anymore. But if you wanna keep yapping on despite months before DT amounting to what we have now, you do you bud. Deflect freely, you guys are great at it! I'll go enjoy myself and help healers with a smooth time in game~.

This "reality" of yours can potentially grow to a place where healers are not required for week 1. You just don't care

[Ramiee]

You can be sad about it all you want, doesn't change anything. Meanwhile in content that actually matters, yknow on the higher end? Yeah, it's a good general use cooldown that doesn't break anything. I don't care about silly opinions not rooted in reality though yes. Go ahead and just try a healerless run in an average PF party of EX1 as a WAR and tell me how that goes though~. If you can somehow heal all of that without a cotank doing all the healing or needing some summoners and red mages, I won't believe it.

Nah I don't play pf I have a static that's your problem dude, we normally drop 1 healer after a couple of months when we're geared but looking at the raid tier might get to do it early since besides M3S it's pretty piss easy.
Also why would I play WAR it's a brainless boring job the only tanks I play are PLD and DRK, playing WAR is as boring as playing a healer.

And I run with two buds for general content. The times I don't though, hoo boy. Clearly you don't get that though so already shows your general bias. Look on any normal PF ever, and they won't be locking out healers unless they're trap, in which case they're doing everyone a favor.
Awesome opinion, I find WAR fun because I can fight back when things go wrong, and it hits hard and consistently. It's almost like there's all sorts of jobs out there for all sorts of different people. Imagine that. Just like I refuse to play DRK because you're at the mercy of others, which hey if you prefer that you do you. How's Dark Mind in savage by the way? Real useful yet?

Ok you need to max self heal every 25 seconds as a crutch, a strong and regen every 60 seconds as a crutch and all of that ontop of strong mitigation and a raid heal every 90 seconds. Are NA healers so bad at this game you need that lmao?
I also do PF pretty regularly for EX mount farms and most of the worst players are WHMs, VIPs, WARs and SMNs.
You don't want to play a trinty game and it seems like you don't even want to play an MMO, imagine that having the tank have to rely on a healer like literally every other trinity MMO ever, this isn't elden ring its a team based game if you get shitty team mates either join a static or play a different game.