We Haven't Been Heroes In A Long Time

[Kes13a]

one has to wonder if you skipped all the cutscenes, didnt read any narrative and instead read something on Reddit.

because you seem to be pulling much of this out of thin air. I liked Emet, thought he was decent, as a character, as a villain, would I call him "good"? no. when we met him in Elpis, sure.. he was good at that time. when we met him in the future... no, I wouldnt say he was a "good man" by any stretch. decent enough yes, good.... no.

[Jeeqbit]

Well that's interpretation. But I can tell you that virtually every quest series in this game and even every side quest involves us being the "hero".

I am doing the role quests right now. Guess what I am doing? I am being the hero that saves the incompetent characters from trouble and is praised as a hero by all. Normal for... like every quest in the game?

If you see it differently then I guess it's interpretation. After all, killing is something that the Warrior of Light often does. I even used to not be a fan of them being asked to kill animals without even an acknowledgement of the cruelty of it, but that's just how the game is.

[Ririta]

I'm sorry, but we need to remember that Emet was a genocidal maniac who didn't even consider us people, sure he was tempered but that's no excuse for killing billions of people for the sake of overturning the natural order. His people are dead. Unfairly, yes, but they died and their lives don't deserve to be put above anybody else's. There are still people living in the hell of the Eight Umbral Calamity timeline...

If anything we shouldn't have become "buddies" with Emet, like, ever... there's no a drop of grey in his morality, he was straight up evil.

[Kozh]

And this is the future of ffxiv. Where the writers attempt to write a "grey morality" story, only to make many convoluted justifications (that often break the lore) just so players can still do their moral high horse and say "uhm no, the WoL is hero. X villain is genocide/evil/etc."

This is kids game after all.

[GrizzlyTank]

They made their choice!

[Abriael]

Tell me this is your first Final Fantasy without telling me this is your first Final Fantasy.

[Nestama]

Uggh, and there I thought with all the whinning about DT's story we had actually moved passed the 'EW's story/Venat sucks!' idea. Some things just won't stay dead I guess.

One day we'll finally be able to cast Raise on that poor dead horse and see it return to its family.

[NekoNova]

One day we'll finally be able to cast Raise on that poor dead horse and see it return to its family.

I think we're past that point.....not sure there's anything left to raise at this point

[Oizen]

Actually I completed Criterion Savage so Im an Epic Hero

[Magikazam]

You seriously need to get over the Ancients. We're not getting an alternate timeline where they live because the current one makes you sad. What happened is (literal) ancient history.

I mean, Vyrerus is kinda right. Ascians and Venat are both evil and ready to commit a genocide but for some reason Venat is portrayed as an hero when doing it. The issue is not what happened in the ancient history, the issues is the game being bad at telling morally gray story.

Both Venat and Emmet are willing to kill thousands of souls just to stall the end of time and hope they can find a solution during that time.

In fact, the story did a better job at doing moral lesson in SHB when we had no idea on what is the End of time or how it work. Ascians being ready to sacrifice every lives in the shard was way harder to justify whitout knowing the end of time was still ongoing and that Zodiark was still holding it back AND that Venat creating the shard didn't solve anything by itself.

Again, the issue is not that ''Ascians were the good guy'' no they weren't, But Neither is Venat so why is she portrayed in a heroic way? Why does the Scions and WoL ''team'' get a pass when it time to unquestionably commit genocide but it suddenly innaceptable when the ''evil guys'' do it. It just make the message the game trying to pass trougth it story less believable.