Localization Criticism

[Nebelheim]

Your a Johnny Somali fan aren't you? Probably laughed long and hard when he was in Japan.

"World War 2 happened 85 years ago, are we not suppose to say the names of the Cities" That what you sound like. A disrespectful child, wanting to make sure everyone is full aware of how disappointed their parents are in them.

I don't know who that person is but people are looking way too deep into solution 9 and having 11 residential districts claiming the devs did it on purpose to hurt people intentionally or reference something when it's not the case. They didn't make solution 9 and having 11 districts to reference a terrorist attack as op was claiming in the thread and it's a stretch to believe they did that intentionally people need to really stop reaching and reading too much into things and making up some conspiracies.

[LuciferMournstar]

I don't know who that person is but people are looking way too deep into solution 9 and having 11 residential districts claiming the devs did it on purpose to hurt people intentionally or reference something when it's not the case. They didn't make solution 9 and having 11 districts to reference a terrorist attack as op was claiming in the thread and it's a stretch to believe they did that intentionally people need to really stop reaching and reading too much into things and making up some conspiracies.

"Just don't think about it"... "It's just a game bro!" ... You know, seems like an AWFUL LOT of "I doubt it was meant to reference that, it's just a game and was a total coincidence" going on in this expansion. At what point do people realize there is such a thing as one too many "coincidences" and realize that this is following a specific pattern.

[Nebelheim]

Are we suppose to remove the numbers 9 and 11 from everything and not count them as numbers anymore because people want to automatically assume it will be a reference to something that happened 23 years ago.

[ReqCat]

Entitled america filter where coincidence is seen as malicious

[Dovaah]

Entitled america filter where coincidence is seen as malicious

That's why nobody takes them seriously.

As yes, the "touch grass" insult, coupled with some stupid ridiculous hyperbole. Then add in dismissive "it's just a coincidence bro" drivel. Why bother to explain anything when you're not going to listen to a word I have to say anyway.

I have to say touch grass cause your answer is unhinged. You could say: some stupid ridiculous hyperbole.
You saw a combination of numbers and immediately went: ah yes ! This is against us americans !

Cause you guys think yourself the center of the world.

So yes, do give me examples of the many instances of "coincidences" in DT.

Also, do you get mad if you get 091101 on your mega cackpot ticket ?

[Nebelheim]

That's why nobody takes them seriously.



I have to say touch grass cause your answer is unhinged. You could say: some stupid ridiculous hyperbole.
You saw a combination of numbers and immediately went: ah yes ! This is against us americans !

Cause you guys think yourself the center of the world.

So yes, do give me examples of the many instances of "coincidences" in DT.

Also, do you get mad if you get 091101 on your mega cackpot ticket ?

They won't give examples how the entire dawntrail story is a massive 9/11 reference and will just tell us "just play the story bro" and expect us to do all the work digging through every sentence and word to find supposed "examples".

[Kuro_Matsu]

I don't understand what there is to be upset about. It's simply a set of numbers. It doesn't have any relevance to the event of September 11th. I was old enough to understand what had happened. I remember the uncensored footage from news channels literally showing people jumping to their deaths so they wouldn't die in flames. And I remember the phone called hours later notifying my family my aunt was missing. And almost 4 days later her body being found. Seeing 9-11 doesn't upset me, even though I have a bad memory of that day.

OP you're looking to be angered by something, and it's silly.

[Davixxa]

I'm not a fan of localizers. I find them to be mostly useless, if not outright detrimental to any piece of work they are involved in. But in this case, they actually should have done their job and named this something else, but couldn't be bothered to do their actual job.

Spoiler

https://imgur.com/a/rw3TsRo It even has two towers. Seriously.

You pay all that money for a localization team, and they can't be bothered to do their actual job. Oh, but you better believe their gonna get their amateur friend that can't actually voice act to be in the starring role.

Edit: I tried to put a picture in HB, and it didn't work. Don't want to spoil things for anyone that cares about it.

I can almost guarantee you that this has nothing to do with the localisation team lmao.

https://i.imgur.com/0SD0eug.png

Because it's the exact same in Japanese. This is not intended to be a 9/11 reference, nor is the Yyasulani or Alexandria regions intended to be modelled after New York. We already got our US knock-off in Shaaloani.

Not to mention, this is in Solution Nine -- implying there are 8 other Solutions that came before it. There are also 11 floors in Everkeep, not including Living Memory, as it never actually made it to the Source. Nobody brings up the fact that Solution Nine is on what is probably the Ninth of Eleven floors.

So yeah. Literally read this as you'd read the in-game housing. Residential District 9 Ward 11 and Residential District 9 Ward 14.

It'd be something else if we had a terrorist attack in-game that just happened to involve those buildings, but the closest we got is a literal Star Wars "Execute Order 66" moment, that to my knowledge doesn't actually involve fighting near those buildings at all.

[Davixxa]

The core of the problem of Localizers in the modern day is 90% of them are Localizing for themselves and for their friend groups and not for the fanbase at large, When they put in their own Humor, or their own quirks, sure that might play to you and your friends, but there's a lot of the fanbase who are not you and not your friends, we dont really care about your quirky persona. Localization should always be as close as possible to the original text and nothing that's not even mentioned in the original should be there at all, so if that doesnt hit well with the fanbase, they can actually tell the writer that what they wrote was weak,

Couldn't disagree more. Yeah sure. Some humor may fall flat. But if the scene was intended to be humoristic in the original Japanese, then translating that joke word for word sure isn't gonna have the intended effect in English.


Completely unsurprising that this sentiment comes from a server where you can assume the user is monolingual and be right 9/10 times.

When a localization ruins good writing or even changes bad writing, that doesnt help the writer at all. Especially imagine if a Japanese writer heard there was criticism of a certain part of an anime or a manga in the west and they looked up some comments only to be super confused what people are bothered by cause the comments keep talking about stuff they didnt write.

Translations often fall flat if they're as close as possible to the original text.

Translate the intended meaning and feeling of the text, not the literal words, or you're gonna end up with just straight-up weird sounding sentences like: "There's no cow on the ice" (a Danish idiom, translated literally). And overall, most localizers actually tend to get this right.

I'm sorry, but you cannot take that work and compare them literally. The issue you're complaining about is solveable with more communication between author and translator, though. Something that's thankfully, from what I'm gleaning, starting to become more common.

"""localizers""" are just failed authors and resign themselves to localizing other people's works in a vain attempt to make them look like true creatives and also to own le heckin chuds

How is it that everytime I see this argument, it's made by someone I can assume doesn't speak any other language than English? Genuinely learn a second language or watch some basic ass Tom Scott language files if the Duolingo owl doesn't cut it.