They should pause houses demolition for a time

[Stoi]

Really? We're at the point of...

Please don't quote little parts of a whole argument just to make your point stand. This was just a preamble. If you can't understand what I wrote, please ask for clarification but refrain from trying to make me look like a spoiled child.

Again, this is confusing personal opinions with objective facts. Personally, I am still very satisfied with the content being released and feel it's maintaining a high standard.

I'm not confusing anything. The only objective fact is the very mixed reception of DT. The drop in quality (mainly for the story and everything related to it) is an opinion shared by a massive part of the community. It's the most divisive expansion (and I said expansion) so far, player's opinions about it are very mixed. If a drop in quality is not to blame, then what's the cause of this mixed reception? It's just as good as before and a big part of the community is complaining for no reasons? C'mon... They even said themselves that they're trying something new with DT's story.
By the way, don't confuse good/bad with like/dislike. I disliked DT, you liked it, but overall, it's not getting acclaimed at all. You simply don't share the growing opinion stating that it's not on par with the previous expansions.

There were ~1.1 million active players before the release of "early access...

Again, please try to understand what I wrote, don't pull out parts of the text. My point is that this question was never brought so clearly on the table until now. Thinking that the expansion was bland and boring after its release was never a popular opinion for any of the previous expansions releases. These days, it's more than ever at the center of many discussions. "Far from alone", as you like to quote it, means that it's not just a minority anymore, which is something completely new in FFXIV:ARR history.

What I'm trying to say is that housing demolition, even if it's being implemented in part for greedy reasons, is not a bad thing per se. It's only a bad thing if they keep releasing content that has a mixed reception. Many took breaks from time to time over the last years, but the problem was non-existant because it was often a break in waiting for the next patch. You could take a 2 or 3 months break and renew your sub for a month in-between to prevent the house demolition, because you had some certainties regarding the quality of the content. Now, it's more thinking of a break waiting for them to live up to what they did in the first 8 years. And no one knows when or if it'll even happen. We have no certainties here. And in this case, the housing demolition is kinda taking players in hostage. I'm not gonna argue more on why losing a house can be game breaking, it was already done perfectly a few hours before.

[Striker44]

With a (Forum) Join Date of May 2015, I'm going to hope you've poked around the forums before DT. The forums have always been negative and "controversial." Even ShB, which is almost universally seen as the "favorite" expansion, had the usual deluge of negativity on here. I'm just pointing out the reality that what you see here is not necessarily representative of the playerbase in general, and that when you have a really large group of people doing anything, you will always be able to find a bunch of people that agree with any take you have on something.

please ask for clarification but refrain from trying to make me look like a spoiled child.

I understood exactly what you wrote. If the impression you get is that I'm making you look a certain way, then...consider how your own posts make you look. You want them to put the entire housing demo system on hold so you can take a break from the game because you're not personally happy with the current content while getting to hold onto your house and keep it away from people who are enjoying the game and remaining subbed. That speaks for itself, I think.

I'm not confusing anything.

Yes, you are.

The only objective fact is the very mixed reception of DT.

Nope. "Very" is subjective. You could technically just say "mixed", but again, given the size of the playerbase, that would be true about any single thing you could say, so it becomes meaningless.

The drop in quality (mainly for the story and everything related to it) is an opinion shared by a massive part of the community.

So, as I pointed out, if it's an opinion, then it's not an objective fact. And again, "massive" would either be a subjective term being used deceptively, or is just plain inaccurate.

By the way, don't confuse good/bad with like/dislike.

I separate them all the time. It seems to be the people complaining about the game that confuse these concepts.

I disliked DT, you liked it, but overall, it's not getting acclaimed at all.

Actually, it is. There's been multiple threads up about ratings. User ratings at one point were 8.6 out of 10, and here's a link to the "critic" reviews of DT. There is plenty of acclaim there. That is actually objective fact.

https://opencritic.com/game/16958/fi...ntrail/reviews

So far, Dawntrail is an incredible expansion to an already stellar game. Its slower pace and lower stakes create a calmer and more fun atmosphere to explore, but the increased challenge of the combat instances balance that calmness out with frenetic (and panicked) action.

Dawntrail doesn’t reach the peak of earlier Final Fantasy XIV expansions, but its path is different. Its mission is to begin a new grand tale, and it absolutely succeeds in placing the threads for the future while weaving an effective story about legacy and loss. Although I have grievances about the pace of questing and the main character’s contradictory actions, I’ve loved my time exploring Tural and can’t wait to see what the next chapter of the story brings.

Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail is very messy, but still greatly enjoyable. Wuk Lamat is a lovable character who I hope sticks around, with a satisfying character arc tying in with the expansion's themes. Viper is a blast to play, and every dungeon or trial holds something new and unique. While the expansion isn't the best FFXIv has to offer, it has so much heart you can't help but smile.

Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail is a fantastic expansion to the best single player MMO today. There were some hiccups during the game’s prerelease, but since launch, everything’s gone very smoothly. Even on launch day, when traffic was at its height, it only took me 30 minutes to log on, which is a vast improvement from Endwalker’s launch. If you’re curious about playing Final Fantasy XIV, you’ve got hundreds of hours ahead of you, before you make it to Dawntrail’s content. But if you’re at all curious, Final Fantasy XIV is a great introductory MMO, and one that puts its story first. I happily recommend Final Fantast XIV: Dawntrail to all JRPG fans.

Dawntrail is another excellent expansion for Final Fantasy 14. The story takes a while to get going, but once it's finished setting the scene it takes some pretty big swings in the second half that left us captivated. The dungeons are the best the game has ever had, the new Pictomancer class is an absolute joy to play, it's got incredible art design, and a soundtrack that's gorgeous. Here's to another 10 years of Final Fantasy 14.

[SophiaDL]

With a (Forum) Join Date of May 2015, I'm going to hope you've poked around the forums before DT. The forums have always been negative and "controversial." Even ShB, which is almost universally seen as the "favorite" expansion, had the usual deluge of negativity on here. I'm just pointing out the reality that what you see here is not necessarily representative of the playerbase in general, and that when you have a really large group of people doing anything, you will always be able to find a bunch of people that agree with any take you have on something.



I understood exactly what you wrote. If the impression you get is that I'm making you look a certain way, then...consider how your own posts make you look. You want them to put the entire housing demo system on hold so you can take a break from the game because you're not personally happy with the current content while getting to hold onto your house and keep it away from people who are enjoying the game and remaining subbed. That speaks for itself, I think.



Yes, you are.



Nope. "Very" is subjective. You could technically just say "mixed", but again, given the size of the playerbase, that would be true about any single thing you could say, so it becomes meaningless.



So, as I pointed out, if it's an opinion, then it's not an objective fact. And again, "massive" would either be a subjective term being used deceptively, or is just plain inaccurate.



I separate them all the time. It seems to be the people complaining about the game that confuse these concepts.



Actually, it is. There's been multiple threads up about ratings. User ratings at one point were 8.6 out of 10, and here's a link to the "critic" reviews of DT. There is plenty of acclaim there. That is actually objective fact.

https://opencritic.com/game/16958/fi...ntrail/reviews

Yeah sorry buddy, those are not the actual user ratings.

Steam users ratings for DT on Steam are literally at 61% positive reviews out of about 3100 reviews.

Metacritic user reviews are also at an all time low of 6.4/10.

The fact you had to search to find an article praising DT and ignored all the negative reviews is hilarious.

It's a bit funny you literally just went and found one article praising it, and said "yeah see you guys, it's acclaimed and everyone loves it !"

never change man

[EdwinChucklenuts]

Yeah sorry buddy, those are not the actual user ratings.

Steam users ratings for DT on Steam are literally at 61% positive reviews out of about 3100 reviews.

Metacritic user reviews are also at an all time low of 6.4/10.

The fact you had to search to find an article praising DT and ignored all the negative reviews is hilarious.

It's a bit funny you literally just went and found one article praising it, and said "yeah see you guys, it's acclaimed and everyone loves it !"

never change man

Ah yeah, Steam which is the same community that intentionally review bombs anything they want to throw a hissy fit about.. Ah and half of the negativity there has reviews saying shit like "Woke Lamat"...
I don't think Steam is a good barometer lol.

[Jojoya]

That they make it a limited resource when every other game out there has mastered the art of instanced housing for a decade, does kind of imply that they want this situation where players are held hostage by sunk cost, so that puts it back on them though.

So it becomes a lesson on allowing yourself to become a slave to sunk cost. The lesson is "let it go". It's only because too many people haven't learned to let go that companies profit from these situations.

Special furnishings aren't an issue. Place them in an apartment. If you run out of room in your apartment, put them on a retainer. The majority of furnishings can be sold off for gil or desynthesized without a care because they're easy to reacquire if you return to the game later.

Your friend list no longer gets wiped when you change data centers. You don't need to worry about that.

I don't know what to say if you have more emotional attachment to things that you have than for the people around you. You don't need an entire thrift shop to remember someone.

[Bhearil]

Ah yeah, Steam which is the same community that intentionally review bombs anything they want to throw a hissy fit about.. Ah and half of the negativity there has reviews saying shit like "Woke Lamat"...
I don't think Steam is a good barometer lol.

Yet when even the critics have lower scores than usual and the overall player score is FAR lower than normal its easy to guess that DT is subpar at best not saying that is complete garbage but a game that is praised for its story needs to be at least decent since gameplay wise there are far better options even while refering to tab targetting games only

Most of the critics are related to bad narrative pacing shallow cultural depictions, plot holes, almost every character acting either OOC (the Scions are a blatant example they barely do anything else than nodding at Wuk Lamat) or nonsensical (Bakool Ja Ja doing a 180ª personaliy flip in matter of minutes and everything he did before is forgiven) Krille and Erenville storylines got almost completely sidelined, and Wuk Lamat acting like a narrative black hole with plot armor of unseen proportions until now (and boy people before sometimes complained about the WoL plot armor, but Wuk Lamat is on another level) plus the WoL sidelined so hard that you could had an scarecrow instead since they are sidelined so hard that the game is forced sometimes to remember they player they are still there with some irrelevant comentary. That english Wuk Lamat VA sucked for A or B reason is irrelevant compared to the rest

In the end the only red herring for future expansions we got was the Azem World Cup (shard traveling hinting) and it took an entire expansion just for that

[Kazmarek]

I mean, lets not kid ourselves here, it's pretty clear SE has absolutely no idea what they're doing- in general, of course, but also with housing.

You've got players who own entire wards, fcs that own entire wards, and yes a lot of them got grandfathered into it, but there's really no reason for people to own multiple houses at this point in the game's life. It's gotten to the point where, to combat housing RMT, they implemented the lottery system and made it so that you have to wait 30 days after joining an FC to be made the leader of it. This did absolutely nothing to combat the buying and selling of houses- which is against TOS but does not get enforced. Instead, you have people advertising in party finder that they're selling or giving away fc houses, and these listings go unchecked. It's absolutely ridiculous that SE's policy in regards to basically everything these days is to cover their eyes and pretend like it's not happening.

[Hasrat]

Really? We're at the point of "they should pause housing demolition because the particular current content feels bland to me"? *Shakes head in disbelief*

We're at a point where it takes more than 30 posts for someone to call this out. OP is literally saying "I don't feel like playing, so housing demolition should be paused."

That's... not how this works.

[Rekh]

Meanwhile in GW2 you will have account-based housing, in august, in a buy to play forever game; you'll never lose your house. I highly recommend GW2; not everyone will like it of course, but it doesn't hurt to try.

square enix should've fixed housing way back in heavensward; instead they decided to divert money and resources to make FFXV: medeival version, I mean FFXVI. Instead of apartments they should've added account based instanced housing while still keeping those big shared wards. Alternatively they could've upgraded the shared wards to allow people to grow small houses into large ones.

This is the problem with xiv's development cycle, it's so bad that our feedback can't be taken into account until 6-8 years later now. With an ever growing time between expansions it's a slow moving train. Dawntrail has been amazing though but the competition's innovating better and faster in my honest opinion.

[Astronema]

The dei expansion. They didn't even use the same voice actors they used generic Dollar tree brand ones. Dawntrail gives the same sick feeling as watching star wars the last Jedi.