Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

[Eyrilona]

I mean, there are people who were fine with and even loved the expansions story, though. Does their opinion not matter as much as those who did not like/hated the expansions story?

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it". So no, for the purpose of feedback and media coverage, the opinion of people that liked it does not matter as much as those who hated it, because we are not talking about a sampling of an unbiased population, we are talking about a sampling from the people that paid for and play FFXIV, so these would all be people that already used to like the game as a baseline. If your new expansion is panned by half the player base and liked by the other half, then you didn't score neutral, you just turned half of people that liked your game into people who no longer like your game. That is a huge loss. While the people that still liked it are not suddenly going to buy it twice to show their appreciation or anything, so you make no extra gains on the half that is being positive.

[Volgia]

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it".

Oh my god. What a take.

[DragonFlyy]

A successful product in a sector where reputation is everything, is not defined by "Some people liked it", it is defined by "Everybody liked it".

So by this definition FF14 is a complete failure from start to finish because I have seen some people say the entire story is bad and that makes the game bad. So because EVERYONE doesn't like it, that means it failed.

Hell of a "Failure" since it saved Square Enix.

[Evergrey]

So by this definition FF14 is a complete failure from start to finish because I have seen some people say the entire story is bad and that makes the game bad. So because EVERYONE doesn't like it, that means it failed.

Hell of a "Failure" since it saved Square Enix.

It's amazing how WoW that has the reputation that the quality of the story has dropped since WotLK and with Shadowlands that's been dubbed the worst expansion ever for WoW (if I'm not mistaken) is still online and subscription based.
Oh, and not to mention the reputation of its playerbase being completely toxic.
Reputation is everything. WoW should be long dead by now.
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[ServerCollaps]

I dont get all the drama about the story. Read a book or watch a movie if you want "story". Going trough the msq equals a 0,x % of most people playtime, so why even care about it

[cutestfox]

I dont get all the drama about the story. Read a book or watch a movie if you want "story". Going trough the msq equals a 0,x % of most people playtime, so why even care about it

FFXIV has always been the story MMO. And you don't get why people are upset?
You've been here for a long time, so you know this already. Maybe you're being dishonest?

[ServerCollaps]

FFXIV has always been the story MMO. And you don't get why people are upset?
You've been here for a long time, so you know this already. Maybe you're being dishonest?

story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

[Zackneifein]

story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

You are delusionnal if you think there isn't a significant part of the playerbase that is here only for the MSQ. That's basically why nearly 95% of the game can be done solo, without having to interract with anyone.

Raid are being done during the next month of the MSQ release patch by those kind of players (and mostly only for the story in it).
But farming, crafting, housing, pvp, events or RP alltogether aren't much compared to the MSQ in how it attract players.

It doesn't matter if there is "1000 other things" to do if factually most doesn't care of it. It's enough for the game to continue working between patches, but the MSQ is the only reason why FFXIV is still a thing (by a thing I mean a successful game, it could still exist but with far less content or just being like FFXI).

ARR is one of the biggest problem to attract new players, with it's reputation to be "mediocre" at best, before Heavensward or Shadowbringers being the best of what the game have to offer.
If Dawntrail end up with the same reputation (and it seems to be the case to be honest, maybe even worse), it's a disaster for Square Enix. An MMORPG can just be successful with it's current playerbase, there are always people stopping for many reasons, there is a need for new players.

[Absurdity]

story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

This. I couldn't care less about the story if they focus on the content instead this expansion and deliver on that, the MSQ is probably not even 5% of my time spent in the game.

Just look at Stormblood, mediocre MSQ but it delivered on both content and gameplay which makes people remember it as one of the best expansions.

[Zackneifein]

This. I couldn't care less about the story if they focus on the content instead this expansion and deliver on that, the MSQ is probably not even 5% of my time spent in the game.

Just look at Stormblood, mediocre MSQ but it delivered on both content and gameplay which makes people remember it as one of the best expansions.

Stormblood is nealry each time, in any ranking fan or any website, either last or just above ARR. That's what I'm saying, this kind of thinking is delusional.

It's like in WoW, when sometimes hardcore raiders are threatening Blizzard with strike or things like that. Blizzard don't care of a few thousands or ten of thousands of players, when millions of casual players are paying their sub doing casual content.
The casual content of FFXIV is the MSQ.

Edit : And most of the good about Stormblood is from the patches, where, in fact, the MSQ is far better than the main expansion.