Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

[SteakDriven]

Simple question, what actions will the team announce at the next live letter to try and repair the DT story writing?

Replacing one person as the msq writer isn't the complete answer by any means. The whole team must have reviewed, discussed and finally approved this msq over a lengthy period as a good enough product for the playerbase.

So, what next Yoshi P? Carry on as we are or announce revisions?

The next live letter will be very interesting.

Here's an idea - get some decent translators. The current localizer team are a problem.

[Nestama]

Here's an idea - get some decent translators. The current localizer team are a problem.

Explain how.

[Malthir]

Plotwatchers and rpers. They dont care about the gameplay and never will, the game is their social media platform.
Just give them a "story mode" option that converts all duties into cutscenes since apparently they enjoy reading 60 hours of silent cutscenes on outdated animation rigs ,and let us have a fun game to play.

That's the games core demo and selling point, the games combat is mid>low mid. The new graphics update is nice but also pretty mid visually.

That's not trying to doom the game, the point was the story was literally what made the game.

This game has since HW pretty much exclusively marketed around have good story telling, sadly this time they shit the bed. The people playing for the combat are the vast minority of the playerbase, mainly because as I pointed out before combat is pretty mid, most classes are now functionally clones of one another, they feel unimaginative and less enjoyable to play than in previous expacs, rotations are so braindead you could literally be half asleep and play any class, the tab targeting is trash and has always been trash, movement not being collision based and being plane based is clunky, eu tick rates are absolutely dogshit unless you're sitting in the server rooms. That's not saying that you can't enjoy it, but they would never keep this game alive based purely on it's current gameplay.

Personally I partially agree with you, I think they should focus on a smaller well rounded MSQ, with more focus on gameplay mechanics ie rebuild encounters and combat system from the ground up, sort movement out so it's collision based because ground plane movement was shit in 2005 and it's still shit now, shift more of the story into side quest and overworld development.

[Garruss]

They need to get the Shadowbringers writing team back on the game story again

[EiraWoqiso]

They need to get the Shadowbringers writing team back on the game story again

God, no, not yet. SHB is probably my overall favorite expansion story-wise, but that exact team comp is best saved for after the story has had time to ramp up. If the two DT halves were separate expansions, then I'd say bring them on for the second half, but they need to be built up to.

[Volgia]

Sorry for late reply. Meteon makes sense on our approach to her. We know her, we knew her story, we connected to meteon an not her sisters. Meteon could not be reasoned with. Meteons collective voice is true embodiment of pure unfiltered nillisism. Its why the endsinger had to die. Now im not saying endwalker is not without its fault...but the story was way more compelling than wtf ever DT was trying to sell.

Again man, it's your opinion. I liked Sphene a lot, I liked Meteion, but back when EW was out idk if you'll recall how many people said they shoehorned her into the story, and I had to defend her the same way I have to defend Sphene. If you didn't like that's okay, it's okay not to like it, but it's a stretch to say it was universally disliked.

I recommend reading this thread. It very nicely explains a lot of the main objective issues with the character writing in Dawntrail.

Damn that's a long post.

[Malthir]

Again man, it's your opinion. I liked Sphene a lot, I liked Meteion, but back when EW was out idk if you'll recall how many people said they shoehorned her into the story, and I had to defend her the same way I have to defend Sphene. If you didn't like that's okay, it's okay not to like it, but it's a stretch to say it was universally disliked.



Damn that's a long post.

Yes it is long, but can you see the concept of an objective critique vs a subjective critique now?

It being poorly written doesn't mean you can't enjoy it personally. Soap opera's are generally incredibly poorly written but they are still watched by many people. The concept of this damaging the brand was about the fact that FF14's brand image is a well written story and whether you can stomach the story or not on a personal level no one can justifiably say that this was well written, which in turn damages the brand identity. Now when the post patches come out they might be able to salvage some of this and mitigate that damage. If they don't, it risks being a serious detriment to the health of the game.

[Astronema]

total failure..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLylO7eDfMo

[Volgia]

Yes it is long, but can you see the concept of an objective critique vs a subjective critique now?

It being poorly written doesn't mean you can't enjoy it personally. Soap opera's are generally incredibly poorly written but they are still watched by many people. The concept of this damaging the brand was about the fact that FF14's brand image is a well written story and whether you can stomach the story or not on a personal level no one can justifiably say that this was well written, which in turn damages the brand identity. Now when the post patches come out they might be able to salvage some of this and mitigate that damage. If they don't, it risks being a serious detriment to the health of the game.

Okay, this post is very long, and it's kind of obnoxious to bring and challenge points without sounding nitpicky. But there are things that are just very opinionated, he gives some claims like Alisae 100% trusting Sphene when she literally is the first one to say "Okay but we aren't really trusting her are we". This whole post reads as a rationalization of wanting the MSQ to be really, really bad, when it's really not better or worse than any early expansions.

I'm all for improving the MSQ, but to me this is all just fluff arguments over not liking a character.

[Vahlnir]

My man living that sheltered life. Honestly i want them to bring back plunge. The new anime dash for drk is so damn lame. The npc in the lvl 90 void dungeon still has plunge but im left with the weeb anime dash from a failed edge lord....drk was done dirty during DT fix that lol

For GNB, Trajectory at least makes sense since the blade is rested on the shoulder. I actually like it better than the old gap closer. DRK though? Yeah, please give Plunge back.