Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Turtledeluxe]

Canonically, so are the sundered. Yet the story clearly shows that the sundered have a right to live.

Shadowbringers dealt with this exact theme and did it brilliantly, DT fails to even question it, that's the problem many people are having here and one of the reasons why DT is such a disappointment. According to Yoshi's quote, that was the intended theme of that area, to question what 'being alive' really means.

The sundered are all unique people distinct from the Ancients resulting from their effective death. SHB is pretty much nothing like what's going on here where we are dealing with exact perversions meant to function as the original identity.

[Fiel_Tana]

The sundered are all unique people distinct from the Ancients resulting from their effective death.

Yes, that is fairly true, however nowhere in the story does that define life nor whether any group deserves to continue or not. Whether or not you feel they are "perversions" is also your opinion, not canonical to DT. If they were so perverse, why bother to give them happy memories before destroying them? Why not say something about how the scions, WoL and Wuk felt about them? Why do none of the characters have any opinions or curiosity?

What I'm getting at is that the story doesn't deal with the theme that Yoshi set out, to quote him "That then makes us face the question, would we call that human? If someone is living in this digital world, are they really living?" You have the opinion that they are not. Others feel that they do fully qualify as alive. I feel that perhaps they are and in previous expansions that would have been examined and 100% should have been here. All those opinions are perfectly valid.

What I'm arguing is that based on the story so far in previous expansions and the characters canonical experiences and knowledge, there should be more than enough doubt that the scions and WoL should have questioned whether they qualified as alive or not, whether there was another way, or at the very least not been so blasé about destroying them all.

That fact that they don't leaves the area very uncomfortable for some players, along with leaving a (for the WoL and scions) a rather large moral issue left unquestioned. It also makes for a very unsatisfying story for many players.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

The major problem I have with that zone is that nobody in the MSQ questions "If someone is living in this digital world, are they really living?". Does Yoshi think it does? If so, has he not played DT? Had he even read the script? Talked to the writers at all during pre-production? Checked in during production? Where is that questioning in game??

The MSQ shows the "heroes" destroying them all without questioning the morality of it, looking for better/other alternatives or even feeling a tiny bit bad about it.

Was the MSQ written that way on purpose to make some players question it and start discussions? That seems like quite a reach, so pretty doubtful.

So what went wrong there?

It feels he's talking about a story that is pure headcannon, not what we actually received in the MSQ and that is honestly more than a bit worrying for the future of FFXIV.

Given the state DT launched in, I'd bet all the money in my bank account he hasn't played it. There is just no way if someone with power had played through the entirety of this we would have gotten what we got. So I agree he might be talking about why it was added while having no idea how it was handled in the story.

The sundered are all unique people distinct from the Ancients resulting from their effective death. SHB is pretty much nothing like what's going on here where we are dealing with exact perversions meant to function as the original identity.

Okay, Azem.

[Turtledeluxe]

Given the state DT launched in, I'd bet all the money in my bank account he hasn't played it. There is just no way if someone with power had played through the entirety of this we would have gotten what we got. So I agree he might be talking about why it was added while having no idea how it was handled in the story.




Okay, Azem.

I mean I'm sorry you feel that Zodiark losing and Ancients being soundly defeated, resulting in an entirely new mankind, is a perversion (they are ethically on par with Ancients despite Emet's delusional egotism).

If anything it just shows your continued lack of ethics to compare an ancient war to people deliberately cloning the dead with the intention of perpetuating their fake new instance based existence just so Sphene and any given observer can pretend they're really the person becuase they act the same. That's not to mention relying on continued devouring of aether.