Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Turtledeluxe]

I believe that the endless are a quantum memory copy and for all due intents and purposes they are the person, just in a different form.

What if we took that memory and uploaded it into a genetic copy of the original body? It’s still the same data but in an organic body.

What would we do then if we were asked to deactivate them?

In order for the endless to work, they have to be a full functioning copy of that person.

I'd be fine with throwing them in the garbage. No matter what, if it not in continuity with the original consciousness, it's not the same person.

And any person who really loves someone, would do the same. Sphene's love is not real. It's a warped and misguided version of the original Queen's sentiments.

Don't get me wrong. Certain people ITT would absolutely regard them as the same and be happy. Not me though.

To expound-- human beings are way more than their memories. What adds up to your behavior and your personality is infinitely more complex. The way XIV handles it is totally unrealistic. Theoretically, Endless should be unique acting people who happen to have those memories.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

I'd be fine with throwing them in the garbage. No matter what, if it not in continuity with the original consciousness, it's not the same person.

And any person who really loves someone, would do the same. Sphene's love is not real. It's a warped and misguided version of the original Queen's sentiments.

Don't get me wrong. Certain people ITT would absolutely regard them as the same and be happy. Not me though.

To expound-- human beings are way more than their memories. What adds up to your behavior and your personality is infinitely more complex. The way XIV handles it is totally unrealistic. Theoretically, Endless should be unique acting people who happen to have those memories.

It doesn't have to be the same person in order to not murder them. I don't believe current G'raha is Crystal Tower G'raha OR Shadowbringer G'raha. I view him as a new, unique individual, but because of that I wouldn't think it's okay to "throw him in the bin."

What about Emet-Selch and the other Ascians? They moved from body to body for thousands of years. Are they not people because of this discontinuity? Would it be acceptable to do anything to them for being "less than?"

You are viewing this from the perspective of yourself. What use an Endless would be to you. But we're talking about their own perspectives, which they do have, regardless of how people try to deny that in order to justify the narrative's treatment of them. That's another thing, when the tour guide approaches, he assures them that they should feel the exact way they felt in life. Why would an AI be giving itself assurances about how each instance of it feels internally if it doesn't feel anything? Nothing that happens in Living Memory makes sense if they aren't sentient. It doesn't even make sense to have Living Memory if they aren't sentient.

But hey, at least we can hold hands in unity on the agreed point that the way this is written is a mess.

[VoidsentStatus]

To expound-- human beings are way more than their memories. What adds up to your behavior and your personality is infinitely more complex. The way XIV handles it is totally unrealistic. Theoretically, Endless should be unique acting people who happen to have those memories.

I'd ask where you got this assumption from. Memories are exactly what define behavior and personality in itself. Biological instincts/evolution are memory passed down from previous generations. Before you even have your own consciousness, there's a form of memory already implanted inside of you that controls your behavior/actions baseline.

(small pre-concept)
Even regarding free will debates, there are arguments for predestination as arguments for having freedom of choice are different than arguments from freedom of manifestation. As humans, we do not manifest things in a random manner at all and what is the importance of "free will" if nothing manifests from it. Even something as simple as picking a random number has various micro thoughts inside of it such as "is this number too small", "is this number too common", "let me avoid numbers like this". It is the same process for computers when they generate randomness, they have a set of guidelines to mimic RNG that isn't actually RNG.

(main concept)
When you get into discussing the micro mechanics of how your thought works in itself, memory is the baseline of that. Memory determines what you find important, what you like, what you are afraid of, what you value, etc. You cannot like something you never experienced, you cannot value something you do not even know exists, you cannot think in a way that hasn't been shown to you directly or indirectly. We look for patterns and consistency in our existence baseline. That is why all human behavior is incredibly predictable with enough information and when someone loses enough of their memory, they cease to act in the same capacity and exhibit a different personality entirely from what they had before. A "person" that has no memory nor capacity for future memory cannot function in the world and is merely a husk that will eventually die because it won't even remember where or how to get basic elements of survival, it can't perform basic maintenance on itself, let alone to form goals or a purpose of life.

The idea that someone can be implanted with memories and behave "uniquely" than said memories' influence is a failure to understand the core of a thought process. I am not going to have memories of walking into a swamp and being attacked by snakes, and say "well, it's only a memory, let me walk into a swamp anyway, surely I won't be attacked by snakes." Memories that we consider real and not dreams, are not naturally ignored. That is how we make predictions and do experiements, to find variations from those baseline observations and assumptions that we create.