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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    Does having those qualities not also make something alive? You're sort of failing to see the argument here because you don't want to.

    In your example, the copy may not actually be your grandma, but it's worth asking at what point something like that becomes it's own living entity regardless of the circumstances of it's creation.

    Also, the projector example doesn't quite hold up. When you turn off living memory some of the endless still stick around. That's like unplugging the projector but the projected image stays and says it still has stuff to do. Your whole analogy falls apart with that. Even the slightest bit of inquisitiveness would have someone questioning things at that point.

    Personally, for me, my issues with the zone aren't even necessarily about the conclusion the Scions came to. It's how readily they accepted it and didn't really question anything. That's extremely out of character, especially for people who should know better. Cahciua herself is a strong example that her words aren't matching up to the reality of the situation. There's a very "ends justify the means" feeling to the whole story there and that really isn't how the WOL and Co normally act. That is how the Ascians have always acted, however so I think the comparison is worth considering.

    All this to say: the writers didn't do any of this intentionally and it's just a poorly written section of the story. You're clearly supposed to just agree with them.
    Having those qualities as a copy and simulation makes you perceivably alive. That's different from being alive.

    As for the remaining Endless, I was under the impression that the soul aether didn't just immediately dissipate in certain cases in order for us to have blue quests. So maybe it's like a projector that has backup batteries.

    As far as the writers yes rhe story is pretty bad. That's true of most of the xpac. But I think they didn't explore AI, because to your point about the projector, we don't really have a 1:1 in reality for memory aether. If we ever do achieve fully conscious AI, it would be totally different from what is going on here.

    And the blue quest thing is not just in DT. People are still sitting in the train in Garlemald. I'm pretty sure the blood is still on the floor. Some things in MMos just have to stick around bc of the game and don't necessarily make narrative sense.
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