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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    You clearly said "they have the capacity to make new memories, they have individuality". But those are all qualities they had while alive. So please explain how a copy and digital simulation of a dead person, somehow leads to life?

    It's not an ethical or deep question. If your grandma died today, and an AI was able to replicate her behavior with a projection of your grandma that was localised to your neighborhood by a projector, is that now your grandma? Does that have rights? Maybe if you are willfully suppressing what you know is true because you want to win internet arguments, but you aren't deep.

    The digital projection would never be your grandma no matter how authentic it behaved. You know it and I know it. And that's what the Endless literally are.
    Me: "there is no right answer, it depends on your opinion on "what are the condition to be considered alive".
    You; "You said they're alive, prove me they're alive".

    First of all I never pretended to be deep. I said the the question "what is being alive" is a deep question. If you don't understand the difference, that's on you.

    But I'll try a last time. If it's it acts like like your grandmother, has her memory,... if it's an exact copy of her, how is she different from your grandmother? It's Theseus ship question applied to a living being. Sure, affectively, you probably won't consider her as your grandmother, but isn't she still living being. The question is "what make a living being a living being", and your answer to that is "I said it's not a living being". That question hasn't been answered by philosophers, doctors, intellectuals for thousands of years (that why question like abortion are still very hot). From the myths about artificial being like the golem to science fiction with frankenstein's monster, all the stories about artificial intelligence sentience or the status of clones, there is thousand of fiction based on the fact this question has not been answered. Even FFXIV relied on that in EW. But all that seem to fly far over your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    Personally, for me, my issues with the zone aren't even necessarily about the conclusion the Scions came to. It's how readily they accepted it and didn't really question anything. That's extremely out of character, especially for people who should know better. Cahciua herself is a strong example that her words aren't matching up to the reality of the situation. There's a very "ends justify the means" feeling to the whole story there and that really isn't how the WOL and Co normally act. That is how the Ascians have always acted, however so I think the comparison is worth considering.
    I strongly agree with that part. I have no problem with the solution chosen, but I feel it should have at least been some kind of moral dilemn with what you were doing, even if you ended doing the exact same thing.
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    Last edited by CNitsah; 08-24-2024 at 05:51 AM.

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