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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyrilona View Post
    I think the key thing to observe here is, there is room for things to be different in different expansion to an extent. But not the fundamentals. You can't have a new Sherlock Holmes story where Sherlock is suddenly a bumbling fool constantly being rescued by his clever assistant Watson, even if the idea of a bumbling inspector with a competent helper can in its own right be good standalone story material. Those things do not make sense, you are going to get complaints from people who bought your story because it had promised a continuation of a story universe they know and love, and if you are not consistent with that, then you have sold your story on a false premise.
    That's an entire character, though? I disagree with this analogy, since it'd be more akin to G'raha suddenly being written as a cannibal than a potential oversight on even the reader's end here, since I don't necessarily agree with the postulation that there's a true inconsistency to begin with (just that I, personally, don't really care /that/ much even if there was)

    Like, if I had to guess I would presume that what separates Endless from everything else marked as "Alive" is just the "soul" part of the equation. Endless don't have that. They're more like Primals, like Garuda, in the sense that they are memories projected outwards in a constructed facsimile. Or akin to Amaurot, which is the narrative parallel, which was another "Living Memory" in a manner of speaking. And the story is often extremely harsh to the concept of "Eternity". It never really puts prospects of being "eternal" in a positive light, usually it opts to look at the concept as: foolish, anathema to life itself, fruitless, a regression of Life in the context of apotheosis, or a Hell in Waiting for stylings of Salvation. Throw in the, Endless' case, that their supposed afterlife subsists off present temporal life, and that's the sort of point being reiterated again.

    But, that's just with regards to the notion of an inconsistency. And, the framework and message of the story goes back to the original post I made with regards to how I perceived this specific storyline as not really... about killing beings that are alive, but instead, helping them pass on from the eternity they've been forced into by a false god that can't let go. And overall, I felt this theme to be very clear, very obvious, and I don't actually feel like there's a true inconsistency at least with how the fictional world denotes things. Could they have written a much lengthier, in depth narrative and explored the notion of "What does it mean, to be 'Alive'?" Sure, but they didn't, and had they in this section I don't think they'd have the time to develop that through to any satisfying direction. They chose to continue the parallels to older expansion stories, with Wuk Lamat predominately as the WoL proxy for the small parallels.

    Arguing whether or not a fully fleshed out, choice making Artificial Intelligence is alive or not in like, the real world, or utilizing real world concepts to apply them to a fantasy world that inherently breaks them, is whatever to me -- I'm not interested in that kind of discussion, since I feel like it's a discussion better to have in the framework of the real world, and not a fictional one, and it's ultimately not really the point being made by the narrative.
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    Last edited by Alaray; 07-21-2024 at 03:28 AM.

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